LADY PLANNERS

Brad



If you look under the jobs page, Pharmaceutical Projects

in scotland you can see more details



Rgds



Alastair

Thanks!

You need to change your home details still says you are in Australia ? Unless Im getting this whole area thing wrong ??



Anyway Im looking for planners also , female or Male so again if interested drop me a mail.



I need 2 planners

The funny thing is one of the girls contacted me 18 months ago and I just deleted her email. I heard these girls got there own back when one of them made a mistake with a claim. I now have a good job with WorleyParsons in London. We need some good planners as we have heaps of work if anyone is keen! Also, my boss is quite happy to employ women which is a bonus.

I agree with you sara it is also my experience that if you put to many females together the backstabbing and backbiting are horrendous.

Im sorry to hear about your bad experience Sara, the people you worked with regardless of gender were obviously not very nice individuals. If this had happened in my department it would have been dealt with immediately it was reported or noticed and with maximum effect. Bullying is certainly not tolerated by myself or my peers and sabotage well.... thats a walk out the door option for the sabatour. Immediate dismisal with no references it is a form of Gross Misconduct. I think the male boss would have been shocked at your treatment had you informed him , that is if he were one of the decent human beings. As for the male planner he should have seen what was happening and had a word with the team to sort it out. What are you doing now?



Cheers

Alastair

I’ve just logged in to PP for the first time in months and come across this thread. It is a very interesting topic. A few years ago I worked in a project planning team made up of three women, one male and a male boss that went travelling for a few months and he delegated his position to one of the other female planners. It was the worst job of my life. The backstabbing, manipulation and the bullying was horrible with one girl even sabotaging work. The male planner kept himself well out of it which I don’t blame him. After five months of it I quit the job because I’d come home and burst in to tears. So Carmen, I personally don’t think your dream team would work (no offence).

I have thopught bout an assistant as I require one of those also but my priority is to have onsite planning staff in Montrose as the projects are taking off and in dire need of contractual and planning controls on a daily basis on site , mainly to co ordinate progress and maintain our relationships (defend the company ) with the larger contractors......

Alastair,



I’ve done my time (think tie a yellow ribbon) in Aberdeen (18 years).



I came to some sort of an epithany one day as I was sitting at the kitchen table, buttery in one hand, P&J in the other watching the last of my toes drop off from frostbite....



Maybe one day - but for the noo I’ll bide here.



A’ the best in your quest though



Have you thought about taking an Assistant and training them ? Risky I know as there is always the possibility that you teach them all you know and they leave for a better rate elsewhere.

Fiona,



Fully agree with your TEAM. Based on your smart philosophy, let’s give to men the hard work where no multi tasking abilities are required.



Cheers

AHHHHHH YOU TEASE FIONA



Arbroath would have been perfect ! Not fancy a trip to Scotland? Surely you must be fed up with the sunny climate over there?

Carmen,



I see the way you are thinking - in that case here is what I would seeing as we get to use generalisations.....



Project Team



Upper Management - All female

Middle Management - All female



Any position which requires multi tasking - All female.



Any position which requires single function lather, rinse repeat type stuff - Male



This dream TEAM is based on the philosophy that men can only do one thing at a time !!!

Alastair,



I’m not actually there any more. I was working on P-43 and then P-53.



I’m home now in Arbroath looking for a job....



I jest - I’m in Houston



I do know one of the guys on the Viola Water though - Frank the fifer - Controls Eng - based at the Niteroi Yard.

Fiona, As I said that is my dream TEAM.



Fully agree with Alastair with regard too much testestorone.

50% of oestrogen would impact the TEAM positively.



Cheers,

Married single , didnt matter she was very very very good at her job and I wish there were more of her ! :-)

Fiona,



I see you are in Brazil am I correct ? you wouldnt happen to be the planning engineer for Viola Water or Petrobras?



I have an automation contract out there in Brazil for software and control systems for FPSO’s allowing water injection on sulphate removal offshore.



Alastair

Alastair,



If I may be permitted to offer some advice.....



Planner wanted for exotic location.



This position is based minutes from the beach. Opportunity to learn new language, sample local cuisine and much more.

That sounds like a fine idea Brad ! Im not too stressed and I didnt mean the little angry icon I pressed the wrong button, meant a smiley face in last post.



There is definately a shortage of planners of the female gender in Scotland, the last good one I had working with me went to Australia (come back Mrs Twine !!)

I just want a female planner !! Too much testestorone in this Industry up here in Sunny Scotland !!

Carmen



This sounds sort of like fantasy Football for Planners.



I personally don’t think you can say that such and such a role would be better filled by one gender or the other.



I’ve worked with both sexes in various Management Positions over the years. Those individuals with their own skills and personalities were what make them either Great, Moderate or useless in the role.



Having said that I’ve never ever worked with a female Manager who wasn’t able to do the job. The worst trait I’ve found in a female Manager was a certain "hardness" [it didn’t].



Just my two cents.....

Brad/Gwen, To all



Let’s gives live to this thread with the following exercise.

Suppose you need to build a project TEAM and is mandatory by project Director that you include ladies. 100% male team is not allowed for the whole project and departments.

How do you build the TEAM??



The dream team would be as follow:



Project Director: male

Project Managers: male



Project Control manager: female and department 50% and 50%

Contracting manager: female and department 50% and 50%

Procurement manager : female and department 50% and 50%

Document Control manager : female and department 50% and 50%



Engineering manager: male and department 50% and 50%

Construction manager: male and team at site 70% male and 30% female



Estimating manager : male or female and department 50% and 50%



Note: 50% male and 50%female



Why P. Director and P. managers males. Because they are better qualified for pushing everybody and dealing with Stress.



Why Project Control/Contracting/Procurement /Document Control management -females: because high level of Emotional intelligence is needed to support the Engineering and Construction work. And we have a better EI.



Well, that is my TEAM, What about yours ???



Cheers,

carmen

Gwen



I dont suppose you happen to be available for planning work in Scotland? Montrose area?



Look forward to hearing from you



Rgds



Alastair



PS see jobs page in here.

Oh, I manage to squeeze-in the odd, £100M project now-and-then (every-day)

David,



Mixing with the wrong people may be.



Like to hear about your tasks at HOME.



But sometimes I think that we (women) made a mistake going to work out of HOME because the result is we have TWO JOBS.

On the other hand, when I imagine life without my Planning work It is no life FOR ME.



Conclusion I like my TWO JOBS, Home is the default job and Planning is the JOB that I LOVE.



Cheers

Sorry meant to work (typo)

Ha ha and when do you find time yo work

I forgot to add that I make their lunches, fix the car, build shelving, do the house-hold accounts (using MS Project), bake cakes. Bed-making is done in about five seconds - thank goodness for a duvet. Help the Kids with their homework, supervise their wars, play donkey, explain the rules of civilised behaviour, send them to a naughty-corner.

James,

Like you I do not know what an 8 hour day is and for the ladies... before work I make breakfast and the bed and feed the dogs. When I get home I make dinner (no ready meals) wash up and put away, water the wife and feed the dogs again. The week end is for shopping & hoovering...



Carmen you are very much behind the times - or mixing with the wrong people.



David

If I had any clue what she did, I’d tell you.



Seriously: She does the morning / afternoon "school-run" with the girls. In between, she does quite a lot with the school’s PTA (Parent Teacher Association - for those who aren’t familiar) as well as being a school Govenor. She generally gets the pleasure of cooking dinner. Apart from that, she seems to swan-around spending my money, scratching the car and being an Agony Aunt to the various mums who can’t cope with their own little-terrors.

James,



Any RULE has an exception and I think YOU are the exception in this case.



Keep strong doing both JOBS and for sure You understand Sue and myself.

I hope I did not offend as I was only joking, my son also does the same when he can.

So what does the wife do? apologies if you are single.

Now you ARE being sexist, Sue. Who said that looking after the children is a ladies job? I absolutely adore my two little sweet-peas - even though I could throttle them sometimes.



Yep, I often do the shopping on the way home. Occasionally do the cooking and washing-up. Do at least 50% of the tidying and probably 80% of the hoovering. The washing-machine does all the washing.

Nice to hear from a man doing a ladies job for once

Now now, Carmen. Just to let you know that, last night, at the end of a 14-hour working-day, I picked-up the children, took them home, got them ready for bedtime, read them a story and tucked them into bed - just like I do every night. In fact I haven’t seen the inside of a pub for about 6 years.



I’m really sad and lonely!!!!



James :-)

100% Agreement Carmen

David,



We would like to be more active BUT we share our life between WORK and house. At the END of 8 working hours, we need to start the other JOB at HOME while the gents??? You go to the PUB to drink a BEER and talk about HOW good you are.



Nice weekend

Carmen

It is quiet because we are busy ha ha

I agree with both of you - you can do what you like and many do. My question was simply where are you all? This forum topic is very quiet in terms of female planners!

I agree with Carmen that we can do whatever we like, but also we are natural planners just look at what we do running the family and home as well as holding down a full time job.

David,



On thread 03DEC2006 You wondered WHY no more ladies contribute to this TOPIC.



Well here is my contribution:



If you educate a GIRL thinking ONLY in cooking and having BABIES , OF course she will never be able to do a Planning JOB. Give to women different education and you will be training an adult able to work in any field.



Coming from Venezuela, we understood this many YEARS ago and NOW we have the results. ENGINEERING is no longer a field for MEN. At the moment Engineering schools are dominated 50% by women.



No questions about you can or you can not. ONLY one answer , WE CAN play any ROLE and do it like or better than MEN.



Cheers,

carmen

Mimoune,

In such a situation the question is - is she capable of doing a good job and does she want to go to such a place? If the answer is yes then she would have my full support!



Remember female staff make up large numbers in the various aid agencies and do an excellent job in the worst of conditions, so being female is not a limiting factor.



But it is not for me to decide, what do the ladies of Planning Planet think?





David

David



sorry to say that they are even unfriendly environment for men let’s say for human in general



honestly speaking, can you let your daughter or sister whatever, work with a gang of workders in a place where the nearest asphalt road is 300 kms away !!



just a remark, when i was undergraduate, we were 80 students, there was only 5 girls and guess what ! the first in class and i must admit the best student was a girl.



firendly yours

Mimoune,

It is interesting that you say you work in an unfriendly environment for women - the desert! Such environments are only unfriendly because the male population make them so, women are more than capable of living and working in hostile environments, and indeed many do so throughout the world in all professions.



I also wonder why more women haven’t contributed to this topic?



David

Hi mimooune,

interesting topic, i think you are motivated person which have courage and encouraging women society to join planning planet.Ha ha.... But truly its good topic to be discuss, as i seen on my previous work how the lady engineer can climb the steel structure and walk on the beam ,its encorage me. Suggest you should start the topic first. hope women society will see the threads for their study about women can and cant do.



regards

Hi all



I was watching this thread for a while expecting to hear about problem faces by female planner, as personally I have no idea about the subject due to the fact that I work for an unfriendly environment for women ( our project are located mainly in desert ).



But unfortunately the thread turned to be who are the best men or women, or stupid suggestion like men are smarter then women?



So can you enlighten us about the subject, as I used to think, the gender dilemma is a history affair for your respective societies!



Cheers

mimoune

Thanks Andrew I will try that

Sue,



Keep an eye on the PP job page and see what comes up. Quite often training is offered with the job.



Apply, go knock em dead at the interview and keep your fingers crossed.