Brad

If you look under the jobs page, Pharmaceutical Projects
in scotland you can see more details

Rgds

Alastair

Thanks!

Im sorry to hear about your bad experience Sara, the people you worked with regardless of gender were obviously not very nice individuals. If this had happened in my department it would have been dealt with immediately it was reported or noticed and with maximum effect. Bullying is certainly not tolerated by myself or my peers and sabotage well.... thats a walk out the door option for the sabatour. Immediate dismisal with no references it is a form of Gross Misconduct. I think the male boss would have been shocked at your treatment had you informed him , that is if he were one of the decent human beings. As for the male planner he should have seen what was happening and had a word with the team to sort it out. What are you doing now?

Cheers
Alastair

The funny thing is one of the girls contacted me 18 months ago and I just deleted her email. I heard these girls got there own back when one of them made a mistake with a claim. I now have a good job with WorleyParsons in London. We need some good planners as we have heaps of work if anyone is keen! Also, my boss is quite happy to employ women which is a bonus.

I have thopught bout an assistant as I require one of those also but my priority is to have onsite planning staff in Montrose as the projects are taking off and in dire need of contractual and planning controls on a daily basis on site , mainly to co ordinate progress and maintain our relationships (defend the company ) with the larger contractors......

Fiona,

Fully agree with your TEAM. Based on your smart philosophy, let’s give to men the hard work where no multi tasking abilities are required.

Cheers

Carmen,

I see the way you are thinking - in that case here is what I would seeing as we get to use generalisations.....

Project Team

Upper Management - All female
Middle Management - All female

Any position which requires multi tasking - All female.

Any position which requires single function lather, rinse repeat type stuff - Male

This dream TEAM is based on the philosophy that men can only do one thing at a time !!!

Fiona, As I said that is my dream TEAM.

Fully agree with Alastair with regard too much testestorone.
50% of oestrogen would impact the TEAM positively.

Cheers,

Fiona,

I see you are in Brazil am I correct ? you wouldnt happen to be the planning engineer for Viola Water or Petrobras?

I have an automation contract out there in Brazil for software and control systems for FPSO’s allowing water injection on sulphate removal offshore.

Alastair

That sounds like a fine idea Brad ! Im not too stressed and I didnt mean the little angry icon I pressed the wrong button, meant a smiley face in last post.

There is definately a shortage of planners of the female gender in Scotland, the last good one I had working with me went to Australia (come back Mrs Twine !!)

Brad/Gwen, To all

Let’s gives live to this thread with the following exercise.
Suppose you need to build a project TEAM and is mandatory by project Director that you include ladies. 100% male team is not allowed for the whole project and departments.
How do you build the TEAM??

The dream team would be as follow:

Project Director: male
Project Managers: male

Project Control manager: female and department 50% and 50%
Contracting manager: female and department 50% and 50%
Procurement manager : female and department 50% and 50%
Document Control manager : female and department 50% and 50%

Engineering manager: male and department 50% and 50%
Construction manager: male and team at site 70% male and 30% female

Estimating manager : male or female and department 50% and 50%

Note: 50% male and 50%female

Why P. Director and P. managers males. Because they are better qualified for pushing everybody and dealing with Stress.

Why Project Control/Contracting/Procurement /Document Control management -females: because high level of Emotional intelligence is needed to support the Engineering and Construction work. And we have a better EI.

Well, that is my TEAM, What about yours ???

Cheers,
carmen

Alastair

Do you like employing married women for some reason!!!!!!!!!!1

now now alastair

you sound very stressed, take a long weekend of and relax


regards

brad

Oh, I manage to squeeze-in the odd, £100M project now-and-then (every-day)

Sorry meant to work (typo)

I forgot to add that I make their lunches, fix the car, build shelving, do the house-hold accounts (using MS Project), bake cakes. Bed-making is done in about five seconds - thank goodness for a duvet. Help the Kids with their homework, supervise their wars, play donkey, explain the rules of civilised behaviour, send them to a naughty-corner.

If I had any clue what she did, I’d tell you.

Seriously: She does the morning / afternoon "school-run" with the girls. In between, she does quite a lot with the school’s PTA (Parent Teacher Association - for those who aren’t familiar) as well as being a school Govenor. She generally gets the pleasure of cooking dinner. Apart from that, she seems to swan-around spending my money, scratching the car and being an Agony Aunt to the various mums who can’t cope with their own little-terrors.

I hope I did not offend as I was only joking, my son also does the same when he can.
So what does the wife do? apologies if you are single.

Nice to hear from a man doing a ladies job for once

100% Agreement Carmen

It is quiet because we are busy ha ha

I agree with Carmen that we can do whatever we like, but also we are natural planners just look at what we do running the family and home as well as holding down a full time job.

Mimoune,
In such a situation the question is - is she capable of doing a good job and does she want to go to such a place? If the answer is yes then she would have my full support!

Remember female staff make up large numbers in the various aid agencies and do an excellent job in the worst of conditions, so being female is not a limiting factor.

But it is not for me to decide, what do the ladies of Planning Planet think?


David

Mimoune,
It is interesting that you say you work in an unfriendly environment for women - the desert! Such environments are only unfriendly because the male population make them so, women are more than capable of living and working in hostile environments, and indeed many do so throughout the world in all professions.

I also wonder why more women haven’t contributed to this topic?

David

Hi all

I was watching this thread for a while expecting to hear about problem faces by female planner, as personally I have no idea about the subject due to the fact that I work for an unfriendly environment for women ( our project are located mainly in desert ).

But unfortunately the thread turned to be who are the best men or women, or stupid suggestion like men are smarter then women?

So can you enlighten us about the subject, as I used to think, the gender dilemma is a history affair for your respective societies!

Cheers
mimoune

Sue,

Keep an eye on the PP job page and see what comes up. Quite often training is offered with the job.

Apply, go knock em dead at the interview and keep your fingers crossed.

Sue,

You obviously have alot of patience - hour upon hour upon hour of reading documents, drawings, etc, etc is the main part of the job.

Yes it can be extremely interesting, challenging, fun (well at least occasionally!!!!) and satisfying.

It can also be monotonous, dissapointing, frustrating and sometimes just one long hard slog to mention a few negatives.

On balance though, I enjoy it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oscar

You have my dream job Forensics. How do you get started in this field?

james
and your point is
women are the same as men

Prior to us leaping into the PC world of a womans only section in the forum:

Are we not looking for equality of pay, terms and
conditions?

Why are we doing it, do women need special treatment?
If so it would imply that the above statment is not true.

Think, how would the female portion of the PP greet a man only section!

Gwen, Lady Planners and All

Worked with maybe 10 female planners in 30 years. One was my boss and 10 years younger than me.

They were all probably better than the fellas - no doubt due to the fact that they were treated by all as second class and therefore had to perform better to be treated as the same.

Start a lady planners section. You guys face different problems to us fellas - as well as the ususal stuff that we all face - and need a forum to raise those issues.

Should be more of you. On site here there are several lady surveyors, engineers etc but no planners.

As for the chauvinists out there, live with it, the world has changed since Queen Victoria.

Nige

It is not so much delay analysis, but the forensic analysis itself, all the investigating to find out what really happened

Umerfarook,
I wondered what you consider to be ’appropriate’for a PP topic. This is after all an open forum for planners around the planet, is it not?

In the UK construction industry, there is a major campaign to attract more females to the industry and to give them a voice so it would appear that somebody believes it is appropriate; and the fact that Gwen raised the subject in the first place confirms this.

David

Ray

Are you kidding ???? I hope so.....

Gwen,
I have to say that I have worked with 3 female planners in my entire career (20+ years) and my experience has been that they are very good with the software but they lack the project experience to be good planners.

However, the important point is that this is a feature of the construction industry today (at least in the UK) and it has nothing to do with being male or female. It is simply that training is poor and so many people with only 2 or 3 years site experience are suddenly becoming senior planners.

As someone who has headed a planning department, I am more than happy to employ female planners so long as they have real experience.

David

Hi

I always thought that me being ignored and spoken over was to do with me being a planner!

Regards

John

Andrew,

While I agree with you that it would be a great pity if female members felt they needed a separate forum to give their views, I don’t think that was what Gwen was actually suggesting. As I understood it from her original post, Gwen suggested a thread to discuss the particular problems faced by women in the planning sector.

Hopefully a constructive discussion would result in solutions and increased knowledge which could only be of benefit to those of us with management responsibilities. I completely agree with you when you say that people should be judged on their ability and not their sex, and if it is used correctly, a thread such as the one suggested by Gwen, would help highlight preconceptions and misconceptions with regard to women in planning.

Sorry Gwen if I’m stealing your thunder, but I think that this could be extremely useful to all of us.

Chris Oggham

We have LP’s at PP... where’s this heading.

Send us a picture of your embroidered histo’s, we’ll put them on the site !!

PP Admin.

Hi,

Yes, the moderators seem to be removing an awful lot of replies - a large proportion of them being mine. Dunno why - mine aren’t rude. Apart from the gender segregation, it seems that they wish to suppress the voice of the other minority social groups who may wish to develop their own forum within PP. Because of this, my foretelling of PP becoming accused of "..isms" is now manifest.

James.

I receive two e-mails for each reply that is posted instead of just one

Something strange is happening to this thread
I get notified of replies but they dont appear on the thread
is somebody inteferring with the Lady planners
thread????
Clive

Dear Gwen / Sue,

If you ladies need any help in keeping these boys under control, or getting your ’ladies group’ off the ground let us know!!

Regards PP Admin