LADY PLANNERS

Andrew



Yes I have patience and I love to read, the hardest part is getting taken on having no experience in this field.

Sue,



You obviously have alot of patience - hour upon hour upon hour of reading documents, drawings, etc, etc is the main part of the job.



Yes it can be extremely interesting, challenging, fun (well at least occasionally!!!!) and satisfying.



It can also be monotonous, dissapointing, frustrating and sometimes just one long hard slog to mention a few negatives.



On balance though, I enjoy it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sue,

What is it about forensic delay analysis that attracts you?



David

Oscar



You have my dream job Forensics. How do you get started in this field?

Oscar - did you have network trouble or was there a point to your 4 replies?



James.

james

and your point is

women are the same as men

Ray - thankyou. You have just re-iterated that which I have been trying to say all along - but I keep being moderated. If we start discriminating by gender, then we have to start discriminating by other criteria. It all ends in a farce.



James.

Prior to us leaping into the PC world of a womans only section in the forum:



Are we not looking for equality of pay, terms and

conditions?



Why are we doing it, do women need special treatment?

If so it would imply that the above statment is not true.



Think, how would the female portion of the PP greet a man only section!

Ok Gwen and all Lady Planners: the forum is now yours. Please start raising the issues.



James.

Gwen, Lady Planners and All



Worked with maybe 10 female planners in 30 years. One was my boss and 10 years younger than me.



They were all probably better than the fellas - no doubt due to the fact that they were treated by all as second class and therefore had to perform better to be treated as the same.



Start a lady planners section. You guys face different problems to us fellas - as well as the ususal stuff that we all face - and need a forum to raise those issues.



Should be more of you. On site here there are several lady surveyors, engineers etc but no planners.



As for the chauvinists out there, live with it, the world has changed since Queen Victoria.



Nige

Well that can be interesting and very challenging both in finding the information but the fun part often comes in working out what to do with it - it isn’t quite so straightforward as it appears in the books or the SCL Protocol.



You can email me if you would like to know more.

It is not so much delay analysis, but the forensic analysis itself, all the investigating to find out what really happened

Umerfarook,



I think you may have misinterpreted the purpose of this thread. If you go back to Gwen’s original post, you will see that she is asking whether it would be a good idea to have a thread which dealt with how women are perceived in planning and the unique problems they face because of that perception.



I disagree with you when you say that this is not related to the intent of the Planning Planet forum. The forum is here to gather and disseminate information, not just on the technical aspects of planning, but the problems faced by the people who work as planners as well. You pointed out yourself that planning is a male dominated occupation, all the more reason to find out the difficulties women face simply because they are women.



In fact you give a graphic demonstration of one of the problems women face with your unfounded assertion that the only thing Gwen is interested is gossiping which you say is "(Females most common hobby or passion)". You then "request you not to try of discriminating the PP forum on gender basis", can I suggest that you do the same.



Chris Oggham

Umerfarook,

I wondered what you consider to be ’appropriate’for a PP topic. This is after all an open forum for planners around the planet, is it not?



In the UK construction industry, there is a major campaign to attract more females to the industry and to give them a voice so it would appear that somebody believes it is appropriate; and the fact that Gwen raised the subject in the first place confirms this.



David

This is really intresting thread came across to me, which is not at all related with the intent of PP forum!!!!!



Anyway Gwen as u have started this inappropriate topic, this gives an indication that you are more intrested in gossipping ( Females most common hobby or passion)rather than discussing planning problems which can be solved effeciently and effectively with the help of all PP memebers and which is dominate by male.



I request you not to try of discriminating the PP forum on gender basis.For your kind information in my planning career of 7 years I have worked with 3 Lady planners and one of them was heading my department and I have never sensed any difficulty working with them and vice versa.



Cheers

Ray



Are you kidding ???? I hope so.....

I regard a lady planner in the office as an esential tool, in any industry there are those men who are bad news but are like a lamb in a woman’s presence. and with diversity and inclusion a hot topic it helps the balance, all we need now is for one of the guys to come out of the closet and someone else to get a good suntan

Gwen,

I have to say that I have worked with 3 female planners in my entire career (20+ years) and my experience has been that they are very good with the software but they lack the project experience to be good planners.



However, the important point is that this is a feature of the construction industry today (at least in the UK) and it has nothing to do with being male or female. It is simply that training is poor and so many people with only 2 or 3 years site experience are suddenly becoming senior planners.



As someone who has headed a planning department, I am more than happy to employ female planners so long as they have real experience.



David

Hi there,



Moderation of Forum



After 344 emails asking for some discussion on the topic of how to keep the peace and harmony inside the discussion forum, we have setup a survey question relating to moderation of the sites content; mainly the discussion forum.  



The idea of a survey is first-rate and if people state their preference, it will help us to come to good consensus of the way forward.



We hope / think that everyone realises that the moderators have a pretty thankless job - they graciously volunteer their time and knowledge.  Hopefully the survey should solve this problem and give us all some guidance as to the way forward etc....



The survey can be fund here... http://www.planningplanet.com/vote/Vote_Question_Options.asp?vid=900



Regards...

Hi



I always thought that me being ignored and spoken over was to do with me being a planner!



Regards



John

Andrew,



While I agree with you that it would be a great pity if female members felt they needed a separate forum to give their views, I don’t think that was what Gwen was actually suggesting. As I understood it from her original post, Gwen suggested a thread to discuss the particular problems faced by women in the planning sector.



Hopefully a constructive discussion would result in solutions and increased knowledge which could only be of benefit to those of us with management responsibilities. I completely agree with you when you say that people should be judged on their ability and not their sex, and if it is used correctly, a thread such as the one suggested by Gwen, would help highlight preconceptions and misconceptions with regard to women in planning.



Sorry Gwen if I’m stealing your thunder, but I think that this could be extremely useful to all of us.



Chris Oggham

Lady planners - can’t say I’ve come across one yet, but I have no doubt they are as competent as any male. Ladies in other sectors of the industry I have come across are as good as their male counterparts. They probably work harder as they believe they need to prove themselves above and beyond the norm in this male dominated industry. That I feel is somewhat sad as male or female, your ability and not your sex should be what you are judged on. If you’re male and useless, you’re useless, similarly for females.



I was at one meeting when a male colleague said, "you see that attractive blonde over there", (not being sexist but she was blonde and very attractive) "she’s really good, she was counsel for the other party and knew her stuff". And my colleague was a very experienced expert witness so the compliment wasn’t given lightly.



Therefore my thoughts are that it would be a great pity if the female members felt they needed a seperate forum to give their views. They’re thoughts and contributions are as welcome and as valid as anyone elses, so ladies get posting.

We have LP’s at PP... where’s this heading.



Send us a picture of your embroidered histo’s, we’ll put them on the site !!



PP Admin.

Hi all,



I didn’t think this thread was still going as I stopped being notified - no doubt because my posts were pulled on it. I don’t believe I wrote anything rude either.



Now Gwennie when you get done with that plan I need some help I’m trying to embroider a histogram and I can’t get the stitching even....



Sue - nice to see another LP here



Cheers

Fiona

Hi Folks,



If Gwen wants to start a ladies only thread, why not? It could prove really useful, and not just to the ladies. As far as I can see the only people who would think it was a "rubbish idea" are people, unsure of their own abilities, who feel threatened by it, (Mr Anon Ymous possibly?)



Regarding the moderators, I agree with James, they do seem to have been very active recently, not just replies being deleted, but apparently innocuous threads being closed to further posts. While it’s necessary for sites like PP to be moderated, I don’t believe that it has to be heavy-handed or dictatorial. Perhaps the Moderators themselves should be moderated and given some sort of guidance on how to carry out the task fairly and effectively.



Chris Oggham

Hi,



Yes, the moderators seem to be removing an awful lot of replies - a large proportion of them being mine. Dunno why - mine aren’t rude. Apart from the gender segregation, it seems that they wish to suppress the voice of the other minority social groups who may wish to develop their own forum within PP. Because of this, my foretelling of PP becoming accused of "..isms" is now manifest.



James.

Hi Moderator

My reply was "removed" - it was the first reply on this most interesting subject.

My reply was not rude, hopefully it was objective as were the the replies that followed.

Regards

John

I receive two e-mails for each reply that is posted instead of just one

Clive,



We noticed this too. You will see that some threads are missing. I got one of the techies to check the files, and the thread level jumps from 8 straight to 14. It seems some responses may have been deleted.



Perhaps they were rude and were removed by moderators??



We are checking / concerned.

Dear Gwen / Sue,



If you ladies need any help in keeping these boys under control, or getting your ’ladies group’ off the ground let us know!!



Regards PP Admin

Rubbish idea, we do have any any sexist behaviour on Planning Planet an we don’t need you to start...back to the dra*ing board...

I think that is a great idea gwen