Looks to me as if you are just playing with words! Bit like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic! Doesnt seem to change the fundamental premiss that was there in the first place.
The schedule to be used on an EOT analysis depends on when the issue related to entitlement occured.If the change or reasons out of the Contractors controls happened before progress of work then you could use the baseline.But if it happened after 10 months of the project,the impact due to the issue is analyzed with the latest update (at that time point).The Clause 14 or clause 19 programmes are referred to construction schedule with is baseline and periodic updates "approved by the owner" .
Thanks,
Rajeev
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Submitted by Shahzad Munawar on Tue, 2005-11-01 13:16
Yes, Andrew and Clive are both correct in that your claims for EOT should be based on current schedules. The Baseline Schedule is simply that: a fixed base from which to measure any future impact on the Schedule.
The CP on your Baseline Schedule will not of itself provide an EOT entitlement simply because it will (or should!!) show that the project will complete on the due completion date. However, any instructions from the Client or his Engineer that changes the logic and/or sequence and/or duration of your work activities, may well have an impact on your CP and extend the date of completion accordingly.
Which goes back to the answer of your original question below: the Engineer is stating the obvious, since you cannot be awarded an EOT unless it is driven by a lengthening of the CP!!
Having gone through your postings regarding EOT and Provisional Sum, it has been observed that all your disputes regarding EOT and Provisional Sum have been addressed repetitively in this Forum.
Furthermore, it is clear from the said postings that your Contract stipulations are self sufficient on these issues:
a) Preparation of EOT
b) Submission of EOT with fully substantiated documents and submission period
c) Engineer’s Comments
d) Defense of EOT by Contractor
so better to read all clauses related to EOT very carefully which will give you best resolution of all your disputed issues.
Beyond your contractual limitations, you get nothing.
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Submitted by Andrew Flowerdew on Mon, 2005-10-24 20:31
Go out and buy your planners a good book on Time Impact Analysis and get them to apply the principles of it DURING the contract - (which is actually only good practice for forward planning in trying to evaluate the effects of events as they crop up) - and you will see the error of just using the baseline programme critical path for the evaluation of EOTs.
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Submitted by Mohammed Irfan… on Fri, 2005-10-21 02:15
For all the EOT forwarded in my projects by the Planners were only based on critical paths in Baseline programmes and we have never intended to forward based on target programmes.
Any other side of argument in this case.
What u say Stuart Rosamartin.
Vishwas too
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Submitted by Andrew Flowerdew on Mon, 2005-10-17 05:29
The only thing I can see to clarify or have recognised is that the critical path is a moving target and therefore an original non critical activity may become critical.
Common sense to those who know but I could see an Employer arguing that it only applies to those activities in the baseline programme. Hed be wrong, but that might not stop the arguement.
Since it is unlikely that an EOT will be granted unless the Critical Path is affected, I don’t see anything particularly wrong with the Engineer’s suggestion; in fact, his wording as you present it could mean that you would be entitled to an EOT even for a non-excusable delay!!! ;-)
I don’t see what great advantage there is to the Contractor by modifying the sentence to include for float!
Hard to comment on one sentence but Im guessing you wish to add something like:
No extension of time would be granted unless it is falling on Critical Path or where an employer event causes a non critcal activity to become critical
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21 years 4 monthsRE: EOT Broadline
Mmmmmm....
Looks to me as if you are just playing with words! Bit like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic! Doesnt seem to change the fundamental premiss that was there in the first place.
But if you are happy, then I am happy!! ;-)
Cheers,
Stuart
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23 years 8 monthsRE: EOT Broadline
Irfan,
The schedule to be used on an EOT analysis depends on when the issue related to entitlement occured.If the change or reasons out of the Contractors controls happened before progress of work then you could use the baseline.But if it happened after 10 months of the project,the impact due to the issue is analyzed with the latest update (at that time point).The Clause 14 or clause 19 programmes are referred to construction schedule with is baseline and periodic updates "approved by the owner" .
Thanks,
Rajeev
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22 years 4 monthsRE: EOT Broadline
Thats the same suggestion which I made to you
Cheers
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20 years 3 monthsRE: EOT Broadline
Hi Friends,
Well guys, constant determination form our side for changing the comments has lead to the consultant to change the comments as below;
" Consultant advised claims for delay should be submitted as per contract. Clause 14 programme will be the reference of anlyzing the claims"
Well Howzzat,
Any comments?
is this better?
Regards,
Irfan
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21 years 4 monthsRE: EOT Broadline
Hi Irfan,
Yes, Andrew and Clive are both correct in that your claims for EOT should be based on current schedules. The Baseline Schedule is simply that: a fixed base from which to measure any future impact on the Schedule.
The CP on your Baseline Schedule will not of itself provide an EOT entitlement simply because it will (or should!!) show that the project will complete on the due completion date. However, any instructions from the Client or his Engineer that changes the logic and/or sequence and/or duration of your work activities, may well have an impact on your CP and extend the date of completion accordingly.
Which goes back to the answer of your original question below: the Engineer is stating the obvious, since you cannot be awarded an EOT unless it is driven by a lengthening of the CP!!
Hope this helps,
Stuart
www.rosmartin.com
Member for
22 years 4 monthsRE: EOT Broadline
Hi Irfan
Having gone through your postings regarding EOT and Provisional Sum, it has been observed that all your disputes regarding EOT and Provisional Sum have been addressed repetitively in this Forum.
Furthermore, it is clear from the said postings that your Contract stipulations are self sufficient on these issues:
a) Preparation of EOT
b) Submission of EOT with fully substantiated documents and submission period
c) Engineer’s Comments
d) Defense of EOT by Contractor
so better to read all clauses related to EOT very carefully which will give you best resolution of all your disputed issues.
Beyond your contractual limitations, you get nothing.
Member for
20 years 10 monthsRE: EOT Broadline
Irfan,
Go out and buy your planners a good book on Time Impact Analysis and get them to apply the principles of it DURING the contract - (which is actually only good practice for forward planning in trying to evaluate the effects of events as they crop up) - and you will see the error of just using the baseline programme critical path for the evaluation of EOTs.
Member for
20 years 3 monthsRE: EOT Broadline
Hi Andrew and every contributors,
For all the EOT forwarded in my projects by the Planners were only based on critical paths in Baseline programmes and we have never intended to forward based on target programmes.
Any other side of argument in this case.
What u say Stuart Rosamartin.
Vishwas too
Regards
Irfan
Member for
20 years 10 monthsRE: EOT Broadline
The only thing I can see to clarify or have recognised is that the critical path is a moving target and therefore an original non critical activity may become critical.
Common sense to those who know but I could see an Employer arguing that it only applies to those activities in the baseline programme. Hed be wrong, but that might not stop the arguement.
Member for
21 years 4 monthsRE: EOT Broadline
Irfan,
Since it is unlikely that an EOT will be granted unless the Critical Path is affected, I don’t see anything particularly wrong with the Engineer’s suggestion; in fact, his wording as you present it could mean that you would be entitled to an EOT even for a non-excusable delay!!! ;-)
I don’t see what great advantage there is to the Contractor by modifying the sentence to include for float!
Stuart
www.rosmartin.com
Member for
20 years 10 monthsRE: EOT Broadline
Hard to comment on one sentence but Im guessing you wish to add something like:
No extension of time would be granted unless it is falling on Critical Path or where an employer event causes a non critcal activity to become critical