Agree with you that P3e is not the noly solution for enterprise management, portfolio management...
I am only point out that P3e can lead to portfolio management. Can or cannot at the end of the day its only a tool. The person driving it is more important.
Cheers
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Submitted by Vladimir Liberzon on Thu, 2005-09-01 02:41
you know that P3e is another PM program that have little common with P3 (except Gantt Chart look).
It has advantages, it has weak points.
Deciding migrating from P3 to another product why to consider only P3e?
Being P3 user Ill try to create a list of what I want to see in my new PM software and then will try to investigate the market not restricting myself by any single product.
So it would be interesting to open new discussion not in P3e section - 1) what shall be included in this list, 2) which products support the necessary features.
This way the choice will be reasonable and not forced.
Its not that I dont want to upgrade, actually I have P3ec in my machine. this is the reason why Im very critical with P3ec.
Portfolio management, enterprise management, integration hoaah very farout. So what if I dont do all of this using P3ec and I do it in another way but using 3.1 in conjunction with other softwares. big deal. Those are just "hiffaluting" terms and companies are already doing it in their own way without P3ec. Dont assume that only P3ec can do this.
Dont assume if you use P3ec that you are going up. I dont think so. Ive seen it already, its not a big deal.
I am not agreed with you. Firstly "P3 planners who opted to use P3ec were forced to learn it because it’s the latest product from the no. 1 supplier of Project Management software. It’s natural for 3.1 users to learn the latest Primavera products. It’s not because it is better software. Am I right?"
Wrong! Like everything in life you have to actually use the system before you can make a conclusion. I believe that there are too many Old schedulers that who is not going to give up the pride to accept a better product. P3e has a very different operation scheme from P3 that why scheduler don’t like it. However, it is a far better product in terms of flexibility to integrate, security control, Enterprise Management, Portfolio Management.
"Now those who know P3ec would of course would stick and defend it because they already spent months learning it and knowing its bugs and by the way it’s good to show it in your resume." Not really, not because I learn P3e so that I am pro P3e but because I see its potentials of helping the organisation manage not only projects, but program and portfolio. If you what to know the latest development of 3 P (Project Program Portfolio) just have a look @ PMI site. There are many examples that show the important of Portfolio Management as well as Project Management. If you don’t want to upgrade and improve yourself, well, good on you. But the rest of us are moving up.
"The issue of Primavera not supporting 3.1 is beside the point. The main topic is if P3ec is worth learning in lieu of 3.1. I’ll just wait for the review of P3 5.0 before jumping to a new horse if it’s worth it but definitely not the horse called P3ec. Unless someone can convince that it is really worth my time. This is already post no. 23, and until now the only reason I got from this thread is that P3ec is 64 bit technology and Primavera is not supporting 3.1 anymore. I’ll repeat my question, is that all?"
No that’s not all, listen in the post and you see what I mentioned before, managing resource @ a enterprise level, managing Portfolio, and program, Analysis, Integration with corporate system, more level of security control, timesheet, web login and update, process follow control, weighted steps, ability to have unlimited code, structured code, faster, apply methodology, resource management, risk management, project documents sharing.... I can keep going with the list however, I think this is enough. Yes it is only a tool, I agree with Bill, but you need the right tool for the right job. No double that P3 is an excellent tool for a single large scale projects or a number of projects. However, if you talking about a big organisation you need a tool set to help you manage not only project but also program and portfolio. Like using a hammer to build a house is not enough.
My only comments about P3e is, if your organisation is only a small firm that only have few major projects, I would suggest that don’t invest too much effort to incorporate P3e in the organisation. For planner in a small firm, of course if you want to move on to a bigger role and bigger firm and higher pay. Then, take the effort to learn how to drive P3e.
If you are in a big firm already in a high profile role, then you have to consider whether you want to be the one introduce a bigger better system to the organisation or your successor introduce that system...
If you are a small potato in a big firm, then you want to be the one who introduce to the senior management to take over those old and stubborn scheduler that just don’t want to move on.
Bill, to answer some of your comments
No 1. Report is so important without management information (Reports) how can you make a management decision? You can stay in your box tinging the project is great without knowing other projects actually make the company feel. Are we planner who love to stay in our little box without know the rest of the world, if it is good luck.
No. 2 Pay
P3e planner is now demanded everywhere because of all the corporate changes Enterprise Management and Portfolio. Yes if you convert now you will have an advantage if not you just have to find a company still running a 486 machine with windows 98 to run your P3 in the near future. And the pay for P3e planner is on the rise ... demand and supply
No. 3 Backbone
Yes P3 is the foundation of Primavera, it is a great product, but doesn’t mean that we have to stick with it forever. Copper wire communication is the biggest invention in telecommunication it is the backbone of the industry. However, is the telephone company stick with the system or move it to fibre optic cable?? Yes it is the backbone but yet we have to accept technology change as well.
Said too much already Good luck! Hope we all find the best tools for do the job.
P3 planners who opted to use P3ec were forced to learn it because its the latest product from the no. 1 supplier of Project Management software. Its natural for 3.1 users to learn the latest Primavera products. Its not because it is a better software. Am i right? Now those who know P3ec would of course would stick and defend it because they already spent months learning it and knowing its bugs and by the way its good to show it in your resume.
The issue of Primavera not supporting 3.1 is beside the point. The main topic is if P3ec is worth learning in lieu of 3.1. Ill just wait for the review of P3 5.0 before jumping to a new horse if its worth it but definitely not the horse called P3ec. Unless someone can convince that it is really worth my time. This is already post no. 23, and until now the only reason I got from this thread is that P3ec is 64 bit technology and Primavera is not supporting 3.1 anymore. Ill repeat my question, is that all?
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Submitted by William Cormack on Wed, 2005-08-31 11:04
Yeah I heard it back then too and didnt believe it at the time. It was too early back then but times move on and 5 years is a lonnnnnnnng time in IT.
Look at Primaveras website - P3e is what is being pushed. OS developments by MS will dictate how we go. In a few years 64bit will dominate and corporate IT will force updates. There will be no Primavera support for P3 3.1 running on 64 bit OS. I believe that Primavera have already made that announcement. P3e will be the future of Primavera. Its enterprise management not just a scheduling tool and thats where the big bucks are. My hunch FWIW is that in medium to long term P3e will be a SAP equivalent. I reserve the right to completely change my mind about that though! ;-)
In any event P3e really isnt that bad a tool. It has its weak points but so does P3 3.1. Remember earlier versions of P3?
I migrated to P3e in the last year. I found it fairly straightforward to learn. I doubt youll have any problems.
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Submitted by William Cormack on Wed, 2005-08-31 05:56
"P3 3.1 IS HERE TO STAY AND IS THE BACKBONE OF PRIMAVERA"
Sorry but this is just plain wrong. P3 3.1 is as good as dead. Primavera will not support it on a 64bit OS. Primavera are no longer developing it. Primavera are pushing and developing P3e. Thats their future not P3 3.1.
Oh P3 3.1 will hang on for a few years yet but the end is nigh.
FWIW I use both P3 3.1 and P3e 4.1. There are things I dislike and like about each product. I havent yet seen 5.0 but from what I hear its another nail in P3 3.1s coffin.
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Submitted by Charleston-Jos… on Wed, 2005-08-31 02:06
Refer to the issue "Is it necessary to learn?". My answer is Yes it is necessary to learn.
In the context of planning, an individual must be considerate with the working environment, comppany policy, etc. For example, the companys planning department used P3 planning software. One planner desire to learn and eventually master other sophisticated planning software P3ec or spider, etc.
What will become of that planner in the company? If you are the planner, what will become of you? What are you going to do with what you learn, now that only you know and mastered sophisticated planning software while other planners are still struggling with the old software.
I think this will answer the question?
I was in this position when I worked in Malaysia and I know what it means.
Why dont you make the decision (To LEARN OR NOT TO LEARN) and experience what it means in your life. Remember, Experience is the best Teacher.
You know Im not a close minded person. I still give P3ec the benefit of the doubt that it is still better than 3.1.
could you explain further your statement that "Let me explain - one of the biggest advantages to use an enterprise is to share the same platform, using the same coding structure, resource structure, and reporting structure."
I really can not understand why P3ec is better in this respect.
I think most of the things you mentioned is also doable in 3.1 even though there may be some differences on how and easeness to do it using P3ec and 3.1. But the point is, its doable in 3.1. Please enlighten me further.
It is not only because of 16bit (P3) technology to 32bit(P3e) technology. It is a lot more... however some of the advantages are not benefit scheduler/planner but rather the business and these benefits to the business actually created difficulty to the scheduler
Let me explain - one of the biggest advantages to use an enterprise is to share the same platform, using the same coding structure, resource structure, and reporting structure. However, in the good old days in P3, us (scheduler/planner) love to tailor made our own layout, sequence of activity, schedule methodology, coding structure, reporting structure. In those days we are only responsible for a group of projects within the organisation. This structure made the master scheduler and management job very difficult... try to combine all different structure and run an company report is almost impossible (at lease it will take a long process & lot of effort) Therefore, regular reporting become a Hugh task. In addition, trying to analysis the business as a whole ... I been to that position where I develop a schedule well suited the project condition, but because the client require certain way to code and resource the schedule I have to give way (Partly) by having a second schedule....
Yes having an enterprise system caused a lot of additional work where the scheduler may not see the benefits. Like us asking the supervisor fill in the day labour return and progress report. For them they completed their task why asking them to fill in all these forms... If we stuck with the old system, we are just like a stubborn supervisor would not fill in a progress report.
In P3e, a lot of the features are in this similar situation so that’s why P3e had so many opposition coming from the scheduler but lots of support from senior management.
Learning P3ec is not the issue here. Is it really necessary to learn it is the issue. I could learn artemis, open plan, spider etc. in lieu of P3 3.1 if the review of these softwares are better than P3ec. Its only from users that we would know which softwares are better than the others.
But naturally for P3 users, they will shift to a new Primavera product because somehow theyre already used to its features more or less. But if the only main advantage that you will get by using P3ec is the so called 64 bit technology and because you are forced to use it because Primavera is not supporting 3.1 anymore, I dont think its enough reason for me to change horses.
I know there are some added features in P3ec, but I think those are just nice to have features. Planners can live without it. I hope Im wrong.
Just my opinion.
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Submitted by Niek Zonneveld on Tue, 2005-08-30 18:58
Initially you will have some trouble finding your way around in P3e, but after a while youll love it.
It is a very robust application that you can rely on when youre in the trenches (just as P3, I know). The user interface is very consistent, that documentation is excellent, and the application architecture is rock solid.
Any professional scheduler who understands P3 will learn P3e in a matter of days. No need to make a big fuzz about it and youll learn so new stuff too!
Cheers,
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Submitted by Steven Oliver on Tue, 2005-08-30 09:29
As a long time user of P3 (15 yrs+),and previously Artemis 7000 & OpenPlan), I have had to adapt to using P3e.
Long time ago, I has to learn P3, now I have had to learn P3e. Doesnt alter good practice.
P3e isnt that bad, give it a chance. The advantages over P3 are in the "Enterprise", where projects are competing for the same resources. Graphics and reports are still poor (as is P3), but hopefully will improve with time.
"If you learn something new, the day has not been wasted"
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Submitted by Vladimir Liberzon on Tue, 2005-08-30 08:56
Sometimes people and management overgrows the software that is used, they want to use functions and data that are not supported by their software. Then they start to look around for better solution.
If everybody is happy with the software that is used then there is not a reason to look around.
From the other hand without looking around you may miss some opportunities for better project planning.
It does not make sense to change one software to another that is not better but it makes sense to look around just to be sure that the tool that you use is really the best.
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Submitted by Charleston-Jos… on Tue, 2005-08-30 03:58
In my younger days, i did saw a lot of old folks tyring hard to master P3 and Microsoft Project. I really feel sorry for them because it was very futile. They were no match to my skills.
Microsoft project or other planning software including the latest that will be comming in the market are planning tools. An they will remain a planning tools.
The fundamenal problem with any latest version of planning tools is the cost of acquiring them including maintenance. Only few planning engineers have the opportunity to master all the software available in the market.
The project im working use P3, so, why the give a damm in mastering P3 ec.
In my personal opinion, related to my work, it is not necessary to learn P3 ec. At the present moment, I will remain loyal to P3.
Cheers to all PP
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Submitted by Sukumaran Suba… on Tue, 2005-08-30 03:44
I just attended P3e training 2 days ago. It seems Primavera has abundant the P3 3.1 development. No R&D for the past few years. Primavera has diverted their core business to P3e.
Although Primavera sell P3 3.1 to P3 users but they are not supporting this software fully and their main concentration is on P3e. Be prepared to learn and master the new software.
You had better get used to the fact that P3 version 3.1 will not be supported for ever. With the current development of hardware with 64-bit architecture, your stubborn insistance on staying with 16-bit compliant software (P3) will put you at a disadvantage with regards to speed and complexity of calculations. Are you really going to stick with the same tired old computer and software. Imagine trying to get by today with an AT or XT computer and the software available to run on them. As for not teaching old dogs new tricks, thats bunkum. If you stop learning you might as well give it away. I have been in this game for over thirty years and I thrive on learning new software or planning techniques and tricks of the trade. In fact I consider the day wasted if I havent learned something new.
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Submitted by Charleston-Jos… on Tue, 2005-08-30 02:25
I have already more than 20 years experience and at my age it is very hard for me to master new planning software. As the saying goes "It is very hard to teach an old dog a new tricks.
I can only learn basic knowledge in any new development with regards to planning tools, but to master the latest software much more develope program, is too much for me.
I do inspire the new generation to pursue whatever available in their prime for as long it will help them become "Simply is the Best".
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Vladimir,
Agree with you that P3e is not the noly solution for enterprise management, portfolio management...
I am only point out that P3e can lead to portfolio management. Can or cannot at the end of the day its only a tool. The person driving it is more important.
Cheers
Alex
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24 years 9 monthsRE: Is it really necessary to learn P3ec in lieu of P3 3.1?
Alex,
you know that P3e is another PM program that have little common with P3 (except Gantt Chart look).
It has advantages, it has weak points.
Deciding migrating from P3 to another product why to consider only P3e?
Being P3 user Ill try to create a list of what I want to see in my new PM software and then will try to investigate the market not restricting myself by any single product.
So it would be interesting to open new discussion not in P3e section - 1) what shall be included in this list, 2) which products support the necessary features.
This way the choice will be reasonable and not forced.
Regards,
Vladimir
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24 years 5 monthsRE: Is it really necessary to learn P3ec in lieu of P3 3.1?
Hi Alex,
Its not that I dont want to upgrade, actually I have P3ec in my machine. this is the reason why Im very critical with P3ec.
Portfolio management, enterprise management, integration hoaah very farout. So what if I dont do all of this using P3ec and I do it in another way but using 3.1 in conjunction with other softwares. big deal. Those are just "hiffaluting" terms and companies are already doing it in their own way without P3ec. Dont assume that only P3ec can do this.
Dont assume if you use P3ec that you are going up. I dont think so. Ive seen it already, its not a big deal.
Se
Se
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Se
I am not agreed with you. Firstly "P3 planners who opted to use P3ec were forced to learn it because it’s the latest product from the no. 1 supplier of Project Management software. It’s natural for 3.1 users to learn the latest Primavera products. It’s not because it is better software. Am I right?"
Wrong! Like everything in life you have to actually use the system before you can make a conclusion. I believe that there are too many Old schedulers that who is not going to give up the pride to accept a better product. P3e has a very different operation scheme from P3 that why scheduler don’t like it. However, it is a far better product in terms of flexibility to integrate, security control, Enterprise Management, Portfolio Management.
"Now those who know P3ec would of course would stick and defend it because they already spent months learning it and knowing its bugs and by the way it’s good to show it in your resume." Not really, not because I learn P3e so that I am pro P3e but because I see its potentials of helping the organisation manage not only projects, but program and portfolio. If you what to know the latest development of 3 P (Project Program Portfolio) just have a look @ PMI site. There are many examples that show the important of Portfolio Management as well as Project Management. If you don’t want to upgrade and improve yourself, well, good on you. But the rest of us are moving up.
"The issue of Primavera not supporting 3.1 is beside the point. The main topic is if P3ec is worth learning in lieu of 3.1. I’ll just wait for the review of P3 5.0 before jumping to a new horse if it’s worth it but definitely not the horse called P3ec. Unless someone can convince that it is really worth my time. This is already post no. 23, and until now the only reason I got from this thread is that P3ec is 64 bit technology and Primavera is not supporting 3.1 anymore. I’ll repeat my question, is that all?"
No that’s not all, listen in the post and you see what I mentioned before, managing resource @ a enterprise level, managing Portfolio, and program, Analysis, Integration with corporate system, more level of security control, timesheet, web login and update, process follow control, weighted steps, ability to have unlimited code, structured code, faster, apply methodology, resource management, risk management, project documents sharing.... I can keep going with the list however, I think this is enough. Yes it is only a tool, I agree with Bill, but you need the right tool for the right job. No double that P3 is an excellent tool for a single large scale projects or a number of projects. However, if you talking about a big organisation you need a tool set to help you manage not only project but also program and portfolio. Like using a hammer to build a house is not enough.
My only comments about P3e is, if your organisation is only a small firm that only have few major projects, I would suggest that don’t invest too much effort to incorporate P3e in the organisation. For planner in a small firm, of course if you want to move on to a bigger role and bigger firm and higher pay. Then, take the effort to learn how to drive P3e.
If you are in a big firm already in a high profile role, then you have to consider whether you want to be the one introduce a bigger better system to the organisation or your successor introduce that system...
If you are a small potato in a big firm, then you want to be the one who introduce to the senior management to take over those old and stubborn scheduler that just don’t want to move on.
Bill, to answer some of your comments
No 1. Report is so important without management information (Reports) how can you make a management decision? You can stay in your box tinging the project is great without knowing other projects actually make the company feel. Are we planner who love to stay in our little box without know the rest of the world, if it is good luck.
No. 2 Pay
P3e planner is now demanded everywhere because of all the corporate changes Enterprise Management and Portfolio. Yes if you convert now you will have an advantage if not you just have to find a company still running a 486 machine with windows 98 to run your P3 in the near future. And the pay for P3e planner is on the rise ... demand and supply
No. 3 Backbone
Yes P3 is the foundation of Primavera, it is a great product, but doesn’t mean that we have to stick with it forever. Copper wire communication is the biggest invention in telecommunication it is the backbone of the industry. However, is the telephone company stick with the system or move it to fibre optic cable?? Yes it is the backbone but yet we have to accept technology change as well.
Said too much already Good luck! Hope we all find the best tools for do the job.
Alex
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24 years 5 monthsRE: Is it really necessary to learn P3ec in lieu of P3 3.1?
Hi guys,
P3 planners who opted to use P3ec were forced to learn it because its the latest product from the no. 1 supplier of Project Management software. Its natural for 3.1 users to learn the latest Primavera products. Its not because it is a better software. Am i right? Now those who know P3ec would of course would stick and defend it because they already spent months learning it and knowing its bugs and by the way its good to show it in your resume.
The issue of Primavera not supporting 3.1 is beside the point. The main topic is if P3ec is worth learning in lieu of 3.1. Ill just wait for the review of P3 5.0 before jumping to a new horse if its worth it but definitely not the horse called P3ec. Unless someone can convince that it is really worth my time. This is already post no. 23, and until now the only reason I got from this thread is that P3ec is 64 bit technology and Primavera is not supporting 3.1 anymore. Ill repeat my question, is that all?
Se
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Bill
Does that include old planners too?
FWIW Im sure 3.1 has a few years left in it yet just not too many.
Regards
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May god bless Long life to Bill
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Bill
Yeah I heard it back then too and didnt believe it at the time. It was too early back then but times move on and 5 years is a lonnnnnnnng time in IT.
Look at Primaveras website - P3e is what is being pushed. OS developments by MS will dictate how we go. In a few years 64bit will dominate and corporate IT will force updates. There will be no Primavera support for P3 3.1 running on 64 bit OS. I believe that Primavera have already made that announcement. P3e will be the future of Primavera. Its enterprise management not just a scheduling tool and thats where the big bucks are. My hunch FWIW is that in medium to long term P3e will be a SAP equivalent. I reserve the right to completely change my mind about that though! ;-)
In any event P3e really isnt that bad a tool. It has its weak points but so does P3 3.1. Remember earlier versions of P3?
I migrated to P3e in the last year. I found it fairly straightforward to learn. I doubt youll have any problems.
Regards
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Bill
"P3 3.1 IS HERE TO STAY AND IS THE BACKBONE OF PRIMAVERA"
Sorry but this is just plain wrong. P3 3.1 is as good as dead. Primavera will not support it on a 64bit OS. Primavera are no longer developing it. Primavera are pushing and developing P3e. Thats their future not P3 3.1.
Oh P3 3.1 will hang on for a few years yet but the end is nigh.
FWIW I use both P3 3.1 and P3e 4.1. There are things I dislike and like about each product. I havent yet seen 5.0 but from what I hear its another nail in P3 3.1s coffin.
Regards
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Hi to all,
Refer to the issue "Is it necessary to learn?". My answer is Yes it is necessary to learn.
In the context of planning, an individual must be considerate with the working environment, comppany policy, etc. For example, the companys planning department used P3 planning software. One planner desire to learn and eventually master other sophisticated planning software P3ec or spider, etc.
What will become of that planner in the company? If you are the planner, what will become of you? What are you going to do with what you learn, now that only you know and mastered sophisticated planning software while other planners are still struggling with the old software.
I think this will answer the question?
I was in this position when I worked in Malaysia and I know what it means.
Why dont you make the decision (To LEARN OR NOT TO LEARN) and experience what it means in your life. Remember, Experience is the best Teacher.
BIG CHEERS TO ALL.
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24 years 5 monthsRE: Is it really necessary to learn P3ec in lieu of P3 3.1?
You know Im not a close minded person. I still give P3ec the benefit of the doubt that it is still better than 3.1.
could you explain further your statement that "Let me explain - one of the biggest advantages to use an enterprise is to share the same platform, using the same coding structure, resource structure, and reporting structure."
I really can not understand why P3ec is better in this respect.
I think most of the things you mentioned is also doable in 3.1 even though there may be some differences on how and easeness to do it using P3ec and 3.1. But the point is, its doable in 3.1. Please enlighten me further.
Se
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Sigfredo
It is not only because of 16bit (P3) technology to 32bit(P3e) technology. It is a lot more... however some of the advantages are not benefit scheduler/planner but rather the business and these benefits to the business actually created difficulty to the scheduler
Let me explain - one of the biggest advantages to use an enterprise is to share the same platform, using the same coding structure, resource structure, and reporting structure. However, in the good old days in P3, us (scheduler/planner) love to tailor made our own layout, sequence of activity, schedule methodology, coding structure, reporting structure. In those days we are only responsible for a group of projects within the organisation. This structure made the master scheduler and management job very difficult... try to combine all different structure and run an company report is almost impossible (at lease it will take a long process & lot of effort) Therefore, regular reporting become a Hugh task. In addition, trying to analysis the business as a whole ... I been to that position where I develop a schedule well suited the project condition, but because the client require certain way to code and resource the schedule I have to give way (Partly) by having a second schedule....
Yes having an enterprise system caused a lot of additional work where the scheduler may not see the benefits. Like us asking the supervisor fill in the day labour return and progress report. For them they completed their task why asking them to fill in all these forms... If we stuck with the old system, we are just like a stubborn supervisor would not fill in a progress report.
In P3e, a lot of the features are in this similar situation so that’s why P3e had so many opposition coming from the scheduler but lots of support from senior management.
HTH
Alex
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24 years 5 monthsRE: Is it really necessary to learn P3ec in lieu of P3 3.1?
Hi guys,
Learning P3ec is not the issue here. Is it really necessary to learn it is the issue. I could learn artemis, open plan, spider etc. in lieu of P3 3.1 if the review of these softwares are better than P3ec. Its only from users that we would know which softwares are better than the others.
But naturally for P3 users, they will shift to a new Primavera product because somehow theyre already used to its features more or less. But if the only main advantage that you will get by using P3ec is the so called 64 bit technology and because you are forced to use it because Primavera is not supporting 3.1 anymore, I dont think its enough reason for me to change horses.
I know there are some added features in P3ec, but I think those are just nice to have features. Planners can live without it. I hope Im wrong.
Just my opinion.
Se
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20 years 7 monthsRE: Is it really necessary to learn P3ec in lieu of P3 3.1?
I concur with Steven,
Initially you will have some trouble finding your way around in P3e, but after a while youll love it.
It is a very robust application that you can rely on when youre in the trenches (just as P3, I know). The user interface is very consistent, that documentation is excellent, and the application architecture is rock solid.
Any professional scheduler who understands P3 will learn P3e in a matter of days. No need to make a big fuzz about it and youll learn so new stuff too!
Cheers,
Niek.
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23 yearsRE: Is it really necessary to learn P3ec in lieu of P3 3.1?
As a long time user of P3 (15 yrs+),and previously Artemis 7000 & OpenPlan), I have had to adapt to using P3e.
Long time ago, I has to learn P3, now I have had to learn P3e. Doesnt alter good practice.
P3e isnt that bad, give it a chance. The advantages over P3 are in the "Enterprise", where projects are competing for the same resources. Graphics and reports are still poor (as is P3), but hopefully will improve with time.
"If you learn something new, the day has not been wasted"
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24 years 9 monthsRE: Is it really necessary to learn P3ec in lieu of P3 3.1?
Sometimes people and management overgrows the software that is used, they want to use functions and data that are not supported by their software. Then they start to look around for better solution.
If everybody is happy with the software that is used then there is not a reason to look around.
From the other hand without looking around you may miss some opportunities for better project planning.
It does not make sense to change one software to another that is not better but it makes sense to look around just to be sure that the tool that you use is really the best.
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20 years 3 monthsRE: Is it really necessary to learn P3ec in lieu of P3 3.1?
Hi Paul,
In my younger days, i did saw a lot of old folks tyring hard to master P3 and Microsoft Project. I really feel sorry for them because it was very futile. They were no match to my skills.
Microsoft project or other planning software including the latest that will be comming in the market are planning tools. An they will remain a planning tools.
The fundamenal problem with any latest version of planning tools is the cost of acquiring them including maintenance. Only few planning engineers have the opportunity to master all the software available in the market.
The project im working use P3, so, why the give a damm in mastering P3 ec.
In my personal opinion, related to my work, it is not necessary to learn P3 ec. At the present moment, I will remain loyal to P3.
Cheers to all PP
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20 years 8 monthsRE: Is it really necessary to learn P3ec in lieu of P3 3.1?
Guys,
I just attended P3e training 2 days ago. It seems Primavera has abundant the P3 3.1 development. No R&D for the past few years. Primavera has diverted their core business to P3e.
Although Primavera sell P3 3.1 to P3 users but they are not supporting this software fully and their main concentration is on P3e. Be prepared to learn and master the new software.
Regards.
Member for
24 years 5 monthsRE: Is it really necessary to learn P3ec in lieu of P3 3.1?
Is 64 bit technology the only advantage I can have if I use P3ec? Is that all?
Se
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21 years 1 monthRE: Is it really necessary to learn P3ec in lieu of P3 3.1?
Gentlemen,
You had better get used to the fact that P3 version 3.1 will not be supported for ever. With the current development of hardware with 64-bit architecture, your stubborn insistance on staying with 16-bit compliant software (P3) will put you at a disadvantage with regards to speed and complexity of calculations. Are you really going to stick with the same tired old computer and software. Imagine trying to get by today with an AT or XT computer and the software available to run on them. As for not teaching old dogs new tricks, thats bunkum. If you stop learning you might as well give it away. I have been in this game for over thirty years and I thrive on learning new software or planning techniques and tricks of the trade. In fact I consider the day wasted if I havent learned something new.
Kind Regards
Paul Silver
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20 years 3 monthsRE: Is it really necessary to learn P3ec in lieu of P3 3.1?
Hi Bill,
I go with your idea.
I have already more than 20 years experience and at my age it is very hard for me to master new planning software. As the saying goes "It is very hard to teach an old dog a new tricks.
I can only learn basic knowledge in any new development with regards to planning tools, but to master the latest software much more develope program, is too much for me.
I do inspire the new generation to pursue whatever available in their prime for as long it will help them become "Simply is the Best".
Cheers