when the new Project starts Planner starts making new schedule for the project before it will start. as the schedule finish it will be set as Baseline, and during the project, you will make updates against this baseline, it will allow you to see the diffenrences between the planned and actual works(start, finish, duration times).
Milestone is essetially is the borders between phases and/or time to be highlighted, or decision making stage(go/no go), comissioning start and etc. its essential to have no less no more milestones, they should be reasonable identified. for instance: start date for mobilisation, finish date for structural works, finishing procurement of materials, start date for facade works, comissiong start, and etc. Milestone have no duration.
The advantages of mile stone a lot but some are given as per my experience.
1- It give just in one sentence the current progress of project/phase / unit / discipline etc. Such as Mechanical completion Mile stone
2- Higher management don’t want to be involved in figures and they don’t have enough time always. Then only the intermediate mile stone represent the true picture of project at a glance.
3- In some contracts specially Lump sum the invoice link with the mile stones not actual running progress. For example at one EPC project the procurement payment will be release on the following milestone achieving such as Issue RFQ , Issue P.O, Delivery at site etc, rather then your running progress issue RFQ 50%, issue PO 25%.
4- Also for delay analysis midterm mile stones play vital roles. Easy to understand at different stages project has how much ahead / behind the schedule.
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Tahir
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Submitted by Reynaldo Y. Ca… on Sat, 2006-12-02 09:25
this is to show emphasis or importance on this dates.........this is sometimes where you measure you performance.....lets face it the clients doesnt know primavera...... and sometimes they would just ask for the variance of milestone dates...... and thats it they would have the big picture.......
BASELINE is where you measure your work......baseline is also like a milestone in which you could compare your present performace can be conotated also as target......
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Submitted by Marcio Sampaio on Sat, 2006-10-07 20:37
We also have specific milestones for agreeded dates between high directory from client and contractor. This milestones has constraints because this important dates can not be change.
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Submitted by Marcio Sampaio on Sat, 2006-10-07 20:36
In the specific case fo the project im actualy working, i have many milestones becouse client wants to see all mainly deliverables as milestones and we send reports showing only this milestones.
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Submitted by ashraf alawady on Sat, 2006-10-07 04:22
What are the advantages adn dis advantages of using many milestones in the programme and what are the differences between a milesone with constraint anda milesone without constraint.
Imagine in you project important actions you need from your client - these actions have to be ready/started/complete in a certain date but is not up to you to plan what
/how your client does his own work.
Site take over by contractor.
Water supply available from client,
Power supply available,
Plant construction licenced
Enviromente licence issued.
supply XXXX
Contract and supply fuel gas.
Grid available to export power.
Et, etc.
These are some typical examples of milestones that normaly are in the scope of Project owner/Client.
Of course they are also normaly linked with actions from you (predecessors) - Eng. submittal, effluent data, Consummer lists for power, etc.
As successors to the milestones you have to add your next activities.
By doing this you show clearly to yourclient exactly what are the impacts if his milestones are not complished in time - avoiding a lot of discussions in the future.
But its up to your client to plan his actions, mobilize his ressources, forward his part of documents, etc,
We show to the client where we need his actions started/finished but we do not plan his own work/actions.
Hope to have contributed to clarify/help.
BR
JMFrade
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Submitted by MUHAMMAD IQBAL on Mon, 2006-10-02 04:17
Milestones - as the name sais are important phases of your project where a certain event needs to be complete, started, etc.
Baselines - We must not forget that the plan of a certain project is a contractual document (normaly approved by client). Once client approves it then it should be frozen (no changes allowed) and copy into a diferrent name. This contractual baseline normaly can only change with the approval of the client.
Number of baselines - depends on your strategie to control the project: U might want to use previous months status as baseline to compair with achievments (earned value, etc) by the end of next months.
In general a big change in the project causing the previous baseline not anymore executable normaly requires a revision of strategie/ project execution plan/ etc and therefore a new baseline should be created.
I Hope to have contributed for your clarification.
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13 years 7 monthsHi Peter,when the new Project
Hi Peter,
when the new Project starts Planner starts making new schedule for the project before it will start. as the schedule finish it will be set as Baseline, and during the project, you will make updates against this baseline, it will allow you to see the diffenrences between the planned and actual works(start, finish, duration times).
Milestone is essetially is the borders between phases and/or time to be highlighted, or decision making stage(go/no go), comissioning start and etc. its essential to have no less no more milestones, they should be reasonable identified. for instance: start date for mobilisation, finish date for structural works, finishing procurement of materials, start date for facade works, comissiong start, and etc. Milestone have no duration.
Regards,
Ismayil
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19 years 10 monthsHi Yannick Welcome to
Hi Yannick
Welcome to Planning Planet
You have just replied to a thread that is 5 years old.
It is not good practice to liven up long dead topics.
Best regards
Mike Testro
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13 years 9 monthsTo ashraf alawady: If you put
To ashraf alawady:
If you put constraint on a milestone, you may loose your critical path. It is the same effect when you impose start or end date to an activity.
Regards,
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19 yearsRE: baseline and milestone?
Dear Ashraf
The advantages of mile stone a lot but some are given as per my experience.
1- It give just in one sentence the current progress of project/phase / unit / discipline etc. Such as Mechanical completion Mile stone
2- Higher management don’t want to be involved in figures and they don’t have enough time always. Then only the intermediate mile stone represent the true picture of project at a glance.
3- In some contracts specially Lump sum the invoice link with the mile stones not actual running progress. For example at one EPC project the procurement payment will be release on the following milestone achieving such as Issue RFQ , Issue P.O, Delivery at site etc, rather then your running progress issue RFQ 50%, issue PO 25%.
4- Also for delay analysis midterm mile stones play vital roles. Easy to understand at different stages project has how much ahead / behind the schedule.
Regards
Tahir
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22 years 8 monthsRE: baseline and milestone?
hi guys!
for me .....
MILESTONE dates are usually contract dates....
this is to show emphasis or importance on this dates.........this is sometimes where you measure you performance.....lets face it the clients doesnt know primavera...... and sometimes they would just ask for the variance of milestone dates...... and thats it they would have the big picture.......
BASELINE is where you measure your work......baseline is also like a milestone in which you could compare your present performace can be conotated also as target......
c",)
Member for
20 yearsRE: baseline and milestone?
We also have specific milestones for agreeded dates between high directory from client and contractor. This milestones has constraints because this important dates can not be change.
Regards.
Member for
20 yearsRE: baseline and milestone?
In the specific case fo the project im actualy working, i have many milestones becouse client wants to see all mainly deliverables as milestones and we send reports showing only this milestones.
Regards.
Member for
19 years 2 monthsRE: baseline and milestone?
Hi,
What are the advantages adn dis advantages of using many milestones in the programme and what are the differences between a milesone with constraint anda milesone without constraint.
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19 years 1 monthRE: baseline and milestone?
Thanks all!
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20 yearsRE: baseline and milestone?
U can also have many milestones in a contract - all mainly deliverables.
Regards.
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20 years 5 monthsRE: baseline and milestone?
Hi Ashraf,
Ilustrating my explanation of milestones:
Imagine in you project important actions you need from your client - these actions have to be ready/started/complete in a certain date but is not up to you to plan what
/how your client does his own work.
Site take over by contractor.
Water supply available from client,
Power supply available,
Plant construction licenced
Enviromente licence issued.
supply XXXX
Contract and supply fuel gas.
Grid available to export power.
Et, etc.
These are some typical examples of milestones that normaly are in the scope of Project owner/Client.
Of course they are also normaly linked with actions from you (predecessors) - Eng. submittal, effluent data, Consummer lists for power, etc.
As successors to the milestones you have to add your next activities.
By doing this you show clearly to yourclient exactly what are the impacts if his milestones are not complished in time - avoiding a lot of discussions in the future.
But its up to your client to plan his actions, mobilize his ressources, forward his part of documents, etc,
We show to the client where we need his actions started/finished but we do not plan his own work/actions.
Hope to have contributed to clarify/help.
BR
JMFrade
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20 years 2 monthsRE: baseline and milestone?
hI
ahraf
your contractor is very nice to you that he is giving you
the intermediate milestones.
Intermediate milestone are helpfull in controlling the different phase of the project
but all of you milstone must be in consistance with your contract
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19 years 2 monthsRE: baseline and milestone?
Hi,Jose
Normally in any contract we have two contractual milestone
staring date milestone for project starting date and finishing date milestone for project completion date .
If the contractor show in the baseline programme many other
milestones which created by the contractor him self .
Can i reject the contractor proposal to use more milestones
,what are the reasons and what is the effect on the programme if we used more milestones.
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19 years 1 monthRE: baseline and milestone?
Thanks Jose! Good points and very clear.
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20 years 5 monthsRE: baseline and milestone?
Hello Peter,
Milestones - as the name sais are important phases of your project where a certain event needs to be complete, started, etc.
Baselines - We must not forget that the plan of a certain project is a contractual document (normaly approved by client). Once client approves it then it should be frozen (no changes allowed) and copy into a diferrent name. This contractual baseline normaly can only change with the approval of the client.
Number of baselines - depends on your strategie to control the project: U might want to use previous months status as baseline to compair with achievments (earned value, etc) by the end of next months.
In general a big change in the project causing the previous baseline not anymore executable normaly requires a revision of strategie/ project execution plan/ etc and therefore a new baseline should be created.
I Hope to have contributed for your clarification.
BR
JMFrade