INTRODUCTION - PP ACCREDITATION MANAGER

Always remember...................Many things difficult in design, prove easy in performance thru planning.

Almost all the members of PP has contributed lot of time & hard efforts to bring the PP to this  present level.  Definitely it will yeild positive results.  

Hi All,

In reply to the question posed... "Dear Mathew,  I am not sure how successful the PP accredityation will be coz there are already many established players and certifications (PMI-SP, AACEI, CIOB - Time Management etc.) In addition to this, we are not any professional body whoes qualification/accreditation can be reciognised by others.. Am I msising anything ? "

Hi Matt

Armistice day - very appropriate.

Mike Testro

Dear Mathew,

I am not sure how successful the PP accredityation will be coz there are already many established players and certifications (PMI-SP, AACEI, CIOB - Time Management etc.) In addition to this, we are not any professional body whoes qualification/accreditation can be reciognised by others.. Am I msising anything ? 

Thanks,

Hi Matt,

How's the accreditation work going? any update?

Cheers,

G

Hi Matt,

Vishwas here. I'm PMP, PSP certified; MAPM designated. What is "PP Accreditation"? And, how do I get accredited? Greatly appreciate your feedback.

Thanks & regards,

Vishwas Bindiganavale PMP PSP MAPM

Project Management Control Systems Manager

Turner Construction - International LLC.

Dubai, UAE

Hi Matthew,



Has there been an update to this thread?



Best regards,

M

Hi,



Maybe first we need to determine the scope of the project, then we can determine the cost and time.



Once Matthew is ready, we can have a brain storming session for 1-2 days and get the general areas of interest.



I would recommend that we concentrate on the Vision at the stage and let as many PP members contribute to the Vision statement. PP members are the key at this stage.



Subsequently, details will follow.



With kind regards,



Samer

Dear Matthew,



Forgive me for not congratulate you earlier.



All the luck and prosperity in your new role



Kind Regards



Ahmad Albirawi

Dear Mai t.,



Welcome in bored and hope you and all PP members will always have this knowledge Interactive platform.



Please forgive me If I ask you why you haven’t join PP just on march 2010? while you have around 9 years experience in Planning!



Please let me elaborate my point further. foreign or local company’s tent/or/prefer to employ Planners/ Schedulers that have similar experience/construction mentality to the company’s origin.



i.e. UK construction companies looking/or/ prefer CEng (EngC, Engineering Council), CIOB (Chartered Institute Of Building), PEO (Planning Engineers Organization)...etc. whilst U.S. companies looking/or/ prefer PE (professional engineer), and AACE licensed ...etc



You will probably ask what is different? and I can say one example of many (i.e. acceleration costs estimation, floats ownership...etc)



I do agree with Samir’s point on the PP experience and their information exchanged. However, will the PP accreditation will be credited and adopted by all different mentality of construction companies globally? I mean this a big challenge to Mathew and to us as well.



I do wish to all of us a smooth accreditation journey while its recognized globally.



Kind Regards



Ahmad Albirawi

Here’s my brain-dump:



The principal benefit to us planners of gaining accreditation is it acts as a form of guarantee to prospective employers about a minimum level of knowledge / experience / quality, so we’re more likely to get jobs, and can get better pay.



I think there is a risk that this benefit is lost if the employee has not heard of Planning Planet. If I was an employer and had a CV in front of me which claimed accreditation from a website, I would give that accreditation little credence, unless the website had something like Royal Chartered Status, or it’s accreditation scheme was recognised by an institute which I had heard of (eg APM, CIOB, etc)



What is the planned approach for gaining international recognition of this accreditation scheme, particularly amongst employers? I think without this, A PP qualification will be fairly useless unless you are lucky enough to be employed by a fellow PP member.





As far as how the scheme should be designed, I’m not sure how democratic a process you are looking for? We could vote on the membership of one or more working groups who could come up with some proposals which we could then vote on again. Or is the plan just to ask the general community for input, and do it all yourself?

Key things which need to be settled fairly on, I would have thought would be:



-The number and levels of accreditations offered

I would be happy with 2 levels of accreditation. The first would be for project planners, aimed at filtering out the keyboard jockeys who don’t have a working knowledge of anything other than the software. The second would be aimed at Senior Planner / Planning manager level and would look at not just the ability to plan a project, but to write scheduling procedures, lead planning teams, understand contracts & commercial implications of planning, etc.



-Assesment methods

Always challenging, this. It won’t take long before someone is selling/giving away answers to online exams. Same with paper exams, to a lesser degree. Face-to-face interviews would require a lot of assessors in a lot of countries, submission of papers like the PEO is I think more robust, but I’m not sure how you would counter plagiarism without a lot of admin backup. I think an online interview with 2-3 planning professionals might be a useful route, but how do you stop people getting someone else to take the interview for them?



-Finance

If this accreditation is going to become respected, it will need to cost a fair amount to administer, so I don’t see how it could be free. I don’t really know how you’d go about calculating the right price, though.



-Training resources

Were you planning to offer training courses aimed at gaining accreditation? Online or in person? I would hope that such training wouldn’t be the only route into accreditation.

Dear Ahmed :



To stand alone is rather to stand in line with other organization , let us start our joinery as pp members supporting by and to new manager to complete his mission , and during this joinery believe me a lot of surprises will be waiting to discover .

I have joined to planning planet in march 2010 ,I can see I have found a lot of expertise people based on my daily reviewing and exploring and beside that a lot of support and help , let us thinking positively and let our objectives be general .



To be honest with myself and with anyone listing or reading my reply before enjoying to PP I have never heard about CIOB .



As Samir said the exchanged information and suggestions is a huge in our planet , and that can be a good indication for PP Members nature .



Truly Regards



mai

Congratulations dear Matt ,

hoping a full enjoying and success during your mission , u will find our support at any time and place .



I would like to express my gratefully to u and the other crew , thinking positively and drive us as pp members forward.



regards

mai t.

Dear Samer,



I’m not criticizing or having any doubt about PP capabilities or experience as I said before.



All I’m saying that PP voice/echo have not reached all the planners/schedulers or organizations around the world.



adjoining or lineage with other organizations (irregardless of their information exchange activation) would create a better opportunity to us in favor of our accreditation.



Kind Regards



Ahmad Albiraw

Dear Ahmad,



The efforts of each organization depends on the experiences of the Committee that is preparing that Accreditation. They try to make it as general as possible, and that makes it not valuable in some cases.



I can assure you that the information exchanged in this platform far exceeds the testing done by most entities.



Most of the discussions that are taking place are related to Construction Activities. That is why the accummulated knowledge available with PP members is huge and it can custom tailered to serve the members by providing a body of knowledge based upon practitioners hands on experience in what works in what doesn’t.



The key difference is experience. You will be able to get the information that you need to know to succeed based on real life successful experiences. It is not theory from 1960’s.



With kind regards,



Samer

Dear Samer



I’m not criticizing the vast experience and Information that beautiful PP members share it with us rather I’m being constructive and conservative to our accreditation.



you see, I’m working in the middle east and there is lots and lots of local and foreign company’s came from different nationalities and backgrounds. the issue here is not all of these company’s familiar with PP or AACE or even CIOB.



Providing a platform that all these organization could based on or Line with On would facilitate planner/scheduler positions in their company’s while being also sort of relief and confidence to the company itself.



Kind Regards



Ahmad Albirawi

Dear Ahmad,



Why do you want it to be in line with some other organization. The PP members have enough current information that surpass an existing body.



If you know of any other site that is as active as PP, please let me know. The key important factor is that you are getting the information that is being positively criticized until you reach the right solution.



With kind regards,



Samer

Hi Matthew,

If you would allow me to suggest that It’s might a beneficial to nominate/or/ elect a group of trustee planners/schedulers in each country or area to facilitate your works?



In addition, I believe that It’s for the beneficiary of PP members that the accreditation process should be in line with CIOB and PEO organizations!?



Best wishes and good luck in yours and our accreditation journey



Regards

Ahmad

Dear Matthew,



We are at your service. I think that the current envelop of identifying knowledge capacity should integrate the practice with theory. This is the least we can do.



With kind regards,



Samer

Hi Matt



You are no doubt aware that the CIOB is about to launch a planning training and accreditation committee.



How will your accreditation scheme work alongside the CIOB?



I also note that your forthcoming Delay Analysis training with Asta in July will cost delegates £450.00 per day - can you tell us what the likely cost of the PP accreditation will cost.



Best regards



Mike Testro

Dear Matthew,



Congradulations. It is a challenging task and will make that start of a process that will benefit many.



I think that the best way to start is to initiate a survey that address PP members and their current task and needs. The committee incharge of this survey can determine the specialties of the members, educational back grounds and theories and tools that they are using in their work.



Parrallel to that, a second task can be assigned to identify the key building blocks from Planning and Scheduling PP responses. PP has plenty of knowledge in its threads and that should be assembled into knowledge areas.



Subsequently, an online exam can be offered to members (preferrably free) that will identify the level of skill they have. So a person with 1 year experiece, can take level 1 basics, and a person with 10+ years experience, can answer the delay analysis and contractual issues section.



Wishing you super success and prosperity, I am sure that you will find plenty of support from PP members.



With kind regards,



Samer