What is new in PMBOK 2008?

Dear Darren



You are correct. The Construction Extension to the PMBOK 3rd Edition covers the safety area. It contains Four Construction Unique Project Management Knowledge Areas:



13. Project Safety Management

14. Project Environmental Management

15. Project Financial Management

16. Project Claim Management.



Best Regards,



Samer Zawaydeh, PMP.

Charlie,



The PMBOK addresses basic knowledge areas that are common on all (or almost all) projects. I know there’s a Construction Extension to the PMBOK Third Edition, but it’s not my field of expertise so I haven’t read through it. Has this not been revised for the Fourth Edition?



If Safety Management is not covered in the extension, or just not covered in enough detail, then I’m surprised that you’re still pontificating on a planning forum and not tabling this issue at a PMI Global Congress.



For a matter that’s universally important to the international project management community, the very least you should be trying to do is redress the balance and contact PMI directly to volunteer your services.



You seem to have a bit of spare capacity at the moment, so I’ve included a few links that will help get you started.



PMI Website



PMI Volunteers



PMI Components & Communities



How to submit a PMI survey



As there is so much confusion surrounding the use of English on this thread, I hope this post is clear enough so that that you understand its meaning and avoid any misunderstanding.



I look forward to reading about your exploits in the next PMI newsletter, good luck in your quest.



Oli,



Very good :o) I’ll see if I can get that introduced as a KPI



Regards,



Darren

Back to the thread,



I believe the PMBOK 2008 has added a new performance indices called PPPPPI.



I think its a measure of how many ’Planning Planet Pointless Posts’ your planner can post before the total float on the project is less than 1/10th of the original duration of the baseline plan.

Chris,



the PP world now believe that you do not understand you post.



very poor comprehension of the english language.



How can you say "... no one else is bothering". And what are you doing all the time if no one is bothering.



Chris do you really understand english. Please make a recollection, a time to recollect yourself.



You are really stupid and you do not understand what you are saying.



You think that you can fool planning planet. What a shame? So sorry for the one who follow you, who symphatize with you.



Cheers,

happy planning and scheduling

Charlie,



Read your own posts no-one else is bothering.



Chris Oggham

CHRIS,



You should be happy, now that you got my attention.



Your post is now limited to one or two sentences.



It show your limited command of the english language.



Your stooges now realize what a waste of time being lead by you, in you attemp to get my attention. They themselves learn a lesson,



How to choose a leader? There is still a moral of the story here in PP. It is very important to choose a leader.



Is command of the english language a requisite of a good leader in PP. My answer is yes for the simple reason that although we are of different nationalities, it is stated in PP that the forum must be in english.



Cheers,

Happy Planning and Scheduling

Charlie,



You’re waffling. I doubt if you’re even making sense to yourself. You really should consider stopping before you say something you’ll regret and PP Admin can’t ignore.



Chris Oggham

CRHIS,



If ever there is someone needs improvement in the understanding of the english language, it is you.



The world knows you have deficiency in understanding the english langauge. And it is very shameful for an englishman like you with english as mother tongue inability to understand simple english language as convey to you by Mr. Dieter.



The lesson learn here is that before you comment on my post, Chris you have to look back on your understanding of the english language.



Otherwise, we will be wasting time knowing that you don’t know english, you do not understand english



and you want PP member to believe what you are posting here in PP is correct since you yourself do not understand simple english



What a shame, really, believe me.



Cheers,

Happy Planning and Scheduling

Charlie,



If you’re going to post something do try to be consistent, it’s pointless hoping that you’re going to make sense.



You’re just wasting time with pointless hot air.



Chris Oggham

Chris,



You did prove your point that you can not understand english.



Question: Do you understand the simple english word convey to you the Mr. Dieter?



You did not understand. this is proven by your actions.



Now, another question. If Chris cannot understand simple english, how on earth did Chris got involve in planning.



How will people believe what you are trying to prove yourself if you do not understand the simple english as convey to you by Mr. Dieter.



And because you can not understand simple english, it is proven that you do not know what you are talking about.



I’m really sorry for you and to all your converts.



What a shame?



Cheers,

Happy Planning and Scheduling

Again, point proved, you really should read back through your posts Charlie.



Chris Oggham

Chris,



Once again you make yourself a shameful example of an ignorant enlishman you can not understand the basic english language.



time and time again, you only prove how idiotic you are.



Mr. Dieter, a German, in his sincerity to help you and explain in simple english and yet



What a shame for an englishman like you who can not understand simple english!!!



What more understanding the intricacies of planning



So sorry for you man



My point is still valid.



What the main thread is about "What is new in PMBOK 2008?"



Nobody can stop anybody to pursue legitimate issue regarding "Safety Management as a Management Process in Project Management".



the timing is also appropriate because it add twist to the thread, at the same time, project management professional will appreciate that indeed, safety as a management process in project management must be considered seriously.



It is only Chris Organ, attention deficit disorder, that degenerate the whole thread into comedy of error.



Cheers,

Happy Planning and Scheduling

Charlie,



Once again you prove that you cannot stick to the point, that you are a racist bigot, and that when this is pointed out you resort to juvenile name calling. No wonder nobody takes you seriously.



Chris Oggham

AND THAT IS MY POINT.



To make safety management as a process in project management.



I look forward that PMI will seriously consider Safety Management as a process in project management and Publish in future PMBOK edition one chapter devoted to safety management as a process in project management in the same importance as the other project management process: Planning, Cost, Communication, Procurement, etc.



I may not be a PMP, but, I travelled a lot working in different countries. And I know the importance of safety.



who among the project managers or PMP cetified professional do not acknowledge safety maanagement process???



Cheers,

Happy Plannin and Scheduling

Chris Organ,



You always bear in mind that you don’t have site experience.



You don’t know what is the importance in safety in project site construction project.



So you do not grasp any meaning to safety. You are just a planning keyboard. you alwasy stay in your cubicle, a very safe place doing your thing, playing with .....



My question related to giving importance to safety to the point that it should become a project management process. That is why I said there is nothing new in PMBOK 2008 with regards to safety since safety is still not treated as a process in PMBOK 2008.



When the time come that PMI will treat safety as a process in project management then that the time there there will be something new in whatever PMBOK edition



NOW YOU UNDERSTAND. Stupid englishman, cannot understand simple english. people in third world countries are better that you, chris organ, in understanding english.



cheers,

Happy Planning and Scheduling

Charlie,



What a sad, pathetic little thing you are with your silly name calling. You are not going to sidetrack this thread from the subject under discussion, What is new in PMBOK 2008, not safety.



As for the rest of your nonsense, I’ll leave the members of Planning Planet to decide which of us is the wanker.



Chris Oggham

Safety management must be a process in project management. Statutory requirement requires a closer look at Safety. I been in project that can not produce progress because project managers are ignorant on how to integrate safety management as a project in project management. The biggest factor is insuffcient knowledge because they never consider safety as a management process.



Cheers,

Happy Planning and Scheduling



CHRIS ORGAN,



You really dont have project management, much more site experience. You are only limited to working in your cubicle located somewhere in UK. So keep quit because you dont know what is happening in the other world. Remain in your cubicle playing with your organ.

Hi Rav,



I took a look at that link you posted, but when I tried to get to the information on the changes to PMBOK 4th edition I got an internal server error. I did a bit of digging on Cyndi’s website, and you can get the information there at PMBOK® Guide – Fourth Edition Changes – An Overview and PMBOK® Guide – Fourth Edition Changes – Chapter by Chapter.



Charlie,



If you haven’t got anything useful to contribute, don’t waste people’s time with pointless posts.



Chris Oggham

While the thread is about "What is new in PMBOK 2008?"



What is not new in PMBOK 2008 is also important, in fact more important.





for example Safety



What about Safety? How PMBOK treated Safety. Is it secondary to other process as expounded in PMBOK. What becomes of PMP (daw/Kuno) professional. How they approach Safety if PMBOK is not considering the importance of safety.



Safety is the most important aspect in project management. You just can not afford lives or manhours loss. It is more expensive than other commodities in construction.



Cheers,

Happy Planning and Scheduling

There’s a article by cyndi stackpole in october issue of pmworld-today regarding the changes in 4th edition of PMBOK



Here’s the link



http://www.pmworldtoday.net/viewpoints/2008/oct.htm#4



4th edition to be effective from 1st July onwards.



Cheers,



Rav

Dear Friends,



The differences are listed in the PMBOK 4th edition preface.



The major is that the processes reduced from 44 to 42 processes. Two process were deleted, two processes were added and 6 processes were reconfigured into 4 processes in the project procurement management knowledege area.



A data flow diagram for each process has been created to show the related processes for the inputs and outputs.



Best Regards,



Samer

Hi Arnold,

Don’t know if you are aware, that link leads to a repeat of

Streetboys question but does not provide the answer.

Hi,



Check this out:



http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090207210843AATCcJG



Regards.