Forensic Planning/ Claims

Dear Catherine,

Is it possible to ask you a couple of quick questions on any conclusions made from you post on claims planning?

And if you could confirm the main documents you were advised to read.

if your willing to help - please email me at use private message service Hope to hear from you -

Regards

Satnam

Catherine/Barry,



Post #20 is fairly typical of Charlie’s airey-fairey nonsense; it wastes people’s time and if there ever was any useful content, it’s lost in the overabundance of verbiage.



I’m sure a lot of the time he’s doing it just to wind people up, a rather pointless and selfish exercise as it could mean that the originator of the post doesn’t get the information that they requested.



Charlie,



Stop wasting everybody’s time, there’s a good chap.



Chris Oggham

Dear All,



These native ??????? speaker really do not understand english. Somehow you should learn from us, the non-native ??????? speaker.



Catherine here does not necessarily mean the real Catherine. There are lot of Catherine here in PP. The Catherine here in PP are those who want to learn Forensic planning, with minimal experience in planning but somehow wanted to become respectable forensic planning analyst. They are the Catherine from other countries in other nationalities, like for example, Philippines, South Americas, etc., etc., etc.



I propose for the newbie in Forensic Planning Analysis, the Catherines in PP, to use AACEI since the explanations are details. In fact, we, the Catherines here in PP can use the AACEI methodology and protocol to explain forensic approach and gain credibility in doing forensic planning analysis.



I could propose that AACEI will become the bible of Forensic Planning Analysis. In this way, there will be minimal confussion in the way we are doing Forensic Planning Analysis.



Cheers,

Happy Planning and Scheduling

Hi Catherine.



This current exchange with Charleston is not arguing - it is a continuing saga of trying to get Charleston to talk sense and keep to the point.



When he hijacks a thread it always goes of at wild tangents.



I am beginning to think that he is two links short of a critical path.



I must admit that he has turned down the volme lately when his racist and homophobic text was enough to get him off PP.



If you want to develop an interest in delay analysis then practice the techniques at home.



Take a programme that you are familiar with and ask your mates at work to set down some notional delay events:



For instance - Tower Crane Broke Down And Was Out of Action for 6 days.



You will need around 6 to 8 events to start with the more the merrier.



Then set the events into your programme using the methods described in the SCL Protocol.



You will probably find that you will get different results for each method.



You also find that your programme does not respond properly to the impact of the events - I have never yet come across one that does.



This will give you an insight into how to plan your project correctly so as to avoid delay claims.



Take a quick look at the thread Ban These Planning Abominations and you begin to understand what I mean.



Best regards



Mike Testro

Thanking you



one needs in forensic planning to



SPOT



little things



regards, and truly these guys are passionate and there is a wealth of experience here ,

but as I said down load both of these and read through them , they are really good and have helped me understand more and how to align yourself



this added to what you can ask for on this web site will help you achieve your goals



Good Luck

Guys



I would help if you all noticed that Catherine, hasn’t replied to any of the last 14 posts in this forum , in fact , with all the bickering and slander , I would suggest that she seek advise else where,



Would it not be better that a group of Professionals that we try and advise her, rather then moan amongst ourselves.



It has been mentioned that as she has done some planning that she would have had to do some analysis of Programs from time to time, to either accept or refute, and I wish her all the best in trying to move forward.



I have read and down loaded both of the Articles noted herein and find them, informative and if time is spent on this they really help



Regards

Charlie,



You really are daft sometimes. You’re telling Mike to put himself in Catherine’s shoes, yet you’re the one reccommending the 106 pages of AACE International Recommended Practice No. 29R-03. Mike merely suggests that the identical information can be found in the six pages making section 4 of the SCL protocol. For someone who wants an idea of what forensic planning/claims is about what do you think is less daunting 6 pages or 106?



You then suggest that what Mike is saying can’t be understood, that really is rich coming from you. Whenever Mike makes a post, it’s clear, concise and to the point, something you rather seem to have difficulty with.



You then challenge Mike about publishing a book! Charlie do you realise how much work there is in producing a book? It takes a great deal of time and effort to produce even a relatively short technical article. You see, Charlie, you can’t make it up as you go along, you can’t change things to suit yourself, you can’t rely on bullsh!t.



Charlie, just for once why don’t you give it a rest?



Chris Oggham

Hi Charleston



When I branched out into delay analysis I had no planning experience at all.



I bought PowerProject software and tought myself how to use it.



That is why I continue to aver that I am not a planner - and that is why I am free of all the bad habits that planners use.



And it is because of those bad habits that I get a lot of work.



If someone on PP needs practical and experienced advice on a topic that I have some expertise in the I will continue to offer it.



Best regards



Mike Testro

Hello Mike,



I understand your position in this regard.



But please understand also the position of Catherine. What we have here is a lady with less than five years planning and scheduling and also wanted to inquire regarding forensic planning.



Put yourself into her shoe, although generally, the feet of a girl is smaller compared to a gentlemen...



this is an idiomatic expression.



To continue: do you think what you are saying can be understood.



I don’t think so.



Are you going around eternally here in PP and will continue to explain the methodology and protocol of forensic planning analysis?



I dont think so.



Are you going to publish a book similar to AACEI but with added value because maybe you will say something about your experience as forensic planning?



I dont think so



cheers

Happy Planning and Scheduling

Hi Charleston



The AACE document is one source of delay analysis procedures among many.



I have read the 106 pages and can get identical information in the six pages making section 4 of the SCL protocol.



Best regards



Mike Testro

the theory of forensic planning analysis is found in



AACE International Recommended Practice No. 29R-03



"Forensic Schedule Analysis"



It is a 106 page document detailing recommended practice.



We are not in school or university, so we have to do it in our own.



So we need a motivation, a motivation on why are we doing this.



In my case, I’m in a project that was delayed, is delayed and will continue to be delayed.



I love the challenge to deliver what is expected from me and to deliver more than what is expected from me. To be an added value to our project team.



Cheers,

Happy Planning and Scheduling

Hi Catherine,



Going back to you original post, you have now to understand that planning and scheduling is different from forensic planning / claims.



They have different methodology and protocols.



Having made aware of this, I think you can still be a planning and scheduling professional at the same time forensic planning / claims.



The most important is to understand the different methodology and protocols.



Cheers,

Happy Planning and Scheduling

Hi Barry



Join the PEO and post your cv in their services offered section.



I have had one or two enquiries from my entry but no commissions yet.



Its about time PP had a services offered section but no one seems to be listening.



Best regards.



Mike Testro

Hi Mike



I have been planning as mentioned before for now going on 15 years, I am a Quantity Surveyor but only use it now in Planning and the odd measure for a claim or remeasure and tenders etc. was in the building game on site as contruction magaer etc 10 yrs prior to starting Planning.



I have during the time , as a planner, been asked to assess delays etc, and EOT, a form of forensic planning,



I am now involved in my biggest one and it has been fun , I have been approached to start another , even larger one , i however have laptop and will travel attitude, but i would like to start international claims , but on small scale , where can one advertise this to possible clients



regards

Hi Catherine



"Having worked as a planner for the last 6 years, how do you get to be a forensic/claims planner? What experience/training is required?"



What was your experience before you became a planner 6 years ago?



Were you involved in actually building something?



I have been banging on in this forum on the subject that if you can’t build it you can’t plan it.



So the first thing you need is actual construction experience then the ability to work the planning software.



I became a Delay Analyst about 10 years ago when I called myself a Delay Analysts and put my rates up.



It is not so simple these days.



You can get yourself an "Apprenticeship" as an assistant delay analyst in any of the main consultancies where you will probably pick up the tricks of the trade - and I do mean tricks.



As for qualifications there are none but a membership of the Planning Engineers Organisation will be a start.



After three or four years working as an assistant you may be given analysis commissions of your own under an experienced mentor.



Soon you will be an Expert in your own right and after a succesful case or two being cross examined by a QC in Arbitration you will be charging out at £250 - £300 per hour - until you lose a case and then it is back to square 1.



If you are still interested then go for it.



Please keep in touch.



Best regards



Mike Testro

Hi Catherine,



It’s a pity that the Private Messaging facility is out of action at the moment, otherwise you could send a private message to either Andrew Flowerdew or Mike Testro. Both are respected members of the profession and will be glad to advise you, pressure of work permitting.



All I would suggest is that you trust the knowledge you have gained already and take advice only from those qualified to give it.



Chris Oggham

Hi Catherine..



With your 4 years experience the probability is high that you are already doing some, if not much, of the works by forensic planner.



Cheers..

Charlie,



I’m still about, just too much work to do, must be a sign of the times!

And your greatest mistake here in PP is if you listen to ???



Just keep on reading the post and it is very obvious whom I mean, meaning the person.



If you can conclude whom I mean, then, you got that deductive reasoning capability that is very important for forensic planning.



cheers,

Happy Planning and Scheduling

Hi Catherine,



It happen to me due to the nature of my work and the nature of the project.



I can not get away from it or say no, because I alway have that can do attitude.



Basically, the project should be delayed to enable forensic planning, otherwise, If the project is not delayed then, there is no need to do forensic planning.



With regards to experience/training: for experience you have to do it because you have to. If the project is ongoing and there is too much delay, then, all you have to do is do forensic planning.



Training: Just hang on to Planning Planet. You can get a lot of sample from active members of planning planet. You can review the post of Mike, Andrew or Stuart. Andrew and Stuart are not anymore active but I was fortunate to be guided by them.



cheers,

Happy Planning and Scheduling



Cheers,

Happy Planning and Schedulng