If you are selecting a Tenderer, then you have two reviews one technical and one financial. If you are asking the Contractor to prepare the BOQ in addition to price it, then you should carefully study the BOQ quality at the technical session.
Once you have selected your Contactor with his BOQ for the Lump Sum Contract, and if a Variation Order arise, then yes you will need to use the relavent/ similar BOQ items to evaluate the variation order price.
A bit of hijacking from my side, I wish to ask (remotly related) question to this thread, in the lump sum contract, it there is a BoQ to some extents detailed (based on POMI) wherein the contractor has inserted the quantities and the rates accordingly, so in that case, I presume the importance of those rates is being used in case for evaluation of variations (using FIDIC 4th Edition).
However, my question is, if I am selecting the succssful tenderer among number of tenderers, can I rely on those rates for comparison, and I will try to demonstate in example of figures:
Tenderer Item Unit Qty Rate Amount
A Exacavation m3 50 $10 $500
B Exacavation m3 250 $2 $500
So in the above case both Tenederes have allowed the same total amounts, but in fact different rates and quantitites, what do you think which one should be the successful tenderer and to be awarded the job! Noting that it is only an example
Sorry Amro for that, I hope that would be useful for all of us
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Submitted by Samer Zawaydeh on Tue, 2009-01-20 16:45
It depends on the Contract you have and what is agreement you made. If you have compensation clauses or not, and it it allows for claims of any kind or not.
Would love to comment on the Accrediation scheme- seems you have done lots of hard work on this - but I am not qualified.
Im a QS specialising in quantum and contractual claims work. I do a bit of delay analysis as part of EOT claims but Im not a Planner so my reason for being here is;
a) to learn planning techniques from you good people
b) to offer quantum/contractual advice in return.
Sorry we seem to have hijacked this thread a bit !!!
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17 years 3 monthsRE: Lump Samp Contract Feedback?
Dear Faried,
If you are selecting a Tenderer, then you have two reviews one technical and one financial. If you are asking the Contractor to prepare the BOQ in addition to price it, then you should carefully study the BOQ quality at the technical session.
Once you have selected your Contactor with his BOQ for the Lump Sum Contract, and if a Variation Order arise, then yes you will need to use the relavent/ similar BOQ items to evaluate the variation order price.
Good Luck,
Samer
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18 years 5 monthsRE: Lump Samp Contract Feedback?
Hi all,
A bit of hijacking from my side, I wish to ask (remotly related) question to this thread, in the lump sum contract, it there is a BoQ to some extents detailed (based on POMI) wherein the contractor has inserted the quantities and the rates accordingly, so in that case, I presume the importance of those rates is being used in case for evaluation of variations (using FIDIC 4th Edition).
However, my question is, if I am selecting the succssful tenderer among number of tenderers, can I rely on those rates for comparison, and I will try to demonstate in example of figures:
Tenderer Item Unit Qty Rate Amount
A Exacavation m3 50 $10 $500
B Exacavation m3 250 $2 $500
So in the above case both Tenederes have allowed the same total amounts, but in fact different rates and quantitites, what do you think which one should be the successful tenderer and to be awarded the job! Noting that it is only an example
Sorry Amro for that, I hope that would be useful for all of us
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17 years 3 monthsRE: Lump Samp Contract Feedback?
Dear Amro,
It depends on the Contract you have and what is agreement you made. If you have compensation clauses or not, and it it allows for claims of any kind or not.
Best Regards,
Samer
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19 years 10 monthsRE: Lump Samp Contract Feedback?
Hi Ken
Me too - I am not a planner either.
I introduce myself as a Builder who can work the software.
I was a quantum consultant doing a bit of EOT on the side until about 10 years ago I called myself a delay analyst and put my rates up.
Thread hijacking happens all the time - it makes for interesting reading.
Best regards
Mike Testro
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17 years 3 monthsRE: Lump Samp Contract Feedback?
Hi Mike
Would love to comment on the Accrediation scheme- seems you have done lots of hard work on this - but I am not qualified.
Im a QS specialising in quantum and contractual claims work. I do a bit of delay analysis as part of EOT claims but Im not a Planner so my reason for being here is;
a) to learn planning techniques from you good people
b) to offer quantum/contractual advice in return.
Sorry we seem to have hijacked this thread a bit !!!
Ken
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19 years 10 monthsRE: Lump Samp Contract Feedback?
Hi Ken
Good to see you getting involved in the forum.
Please have a look at the Accreditation thread - and lets have your input.
Best regards
Mike Testro
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17 years 3 monthsRE: Lump Samp Contract Feedback?
If you let us know the form of contract and the jurisdiction is it under, we could be more specific,
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19 years 10 monthsRE: Lump Samp Contract Feedback?
Hi Amro
I assume that you asking about time related claims.
The terms of payment rarely have any impact on simple extension of time claims.
Provided you can isolate and demonstrate your site prelim costs within the lump sum then you should be able to recover yoyr entitlement.
In respect of disruption claims payment terms could have a big influence on the method and outcome.
If your Lump Sum price is backed up by a detailed cost plan then a disruption cost can be calculated.
If not then you will have trouble substantiating entitlement.
Best regards
Mike Testro