For you to be effective, you must master the PMBOK areas of knowledge + arm yourself with the essential skill sets such as WBS, Critical Path, Variance Analysis, Risk Assessment + understanding/appreciation of the work scope & contractual terms by learning, keep learning - not just by knocking the keyboard.
All this is very well but mostly theory. To be a good planner in my area (building) you need to understand the construction process, site constraints, access issues, etc.
This is only learnt by coming from a site background, ideally as a site engineer/manager who moves into planning at a later date.
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Submitted by Charleston-Jos… on Thu, 2008-06-05 04:28
Positions are not as important as roles or rather how you play your roles to influence a project.
For you to be effective, you must master the PMBOK areas of knowledge + arm yourself with the essential skill sets such as WBS, Critical Path, Variance Analysis, Risk Assessment + understanding/appreciation of the work scope & contractual terms by learning, keep learning - not just by knocking the keyboard.
You might be the most junior member of the team, but you can make yourself to be the most influential of all.
Ill pause at this, for now.
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Submitted by Chris Oggham on Wed, 2008-05-14 10:46
Depends on your point of view I suppose, as for perfect knowledge or concepts of perfection were starting to get into the realms of philosophy and religion, which might not be the best idea.
In your post #5, I see what you are getting at, though perhaps it’s the way people apply their experience which can be right or wrong. I agree too that knowledge can be right or wrong, and that Charlie’s assertion that knowledge is always right (post #8) is incorrect. After all if knowledge was always right, people would still know that the world was flat.
if knowledge is always right, therell be no more Project delays, so maybe no need for Planners! thank God, wrong knowledge still exist! Charlies still in business! do you need an assistant by the way?!!!
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Submitted by Charleston-Jos… on Sun, 2008-05-11 09:44
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For you to be effective, you must master the PMBOK areas of knowledge + arm yourself with the essential skill sets such as WBS, Critical Path, Variance Analysis, Risk Assessment + understanding/appreciation of the work scope & contractual terms by learning, keep learning - not just by knocking the keyboard.
All this is very well but mostly theory. To be a good planner in my area (building) you need to understand the construction process, site constraints, access issues, etc.
This is only learnt by coming from a site background, ideally as a site engineer/manager who moves into planning at a later date.
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You might be the most junior member of the team, but you can make yourself to be the most influential of all.
To be real, maybe the junior member is related, personal friend, to the owner of the project
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Hi guys!
Positions are not as important as roles or rather how you play your roles to influence a project.
For you to be effective, you must master the PMBOK areas of knowledge + arm yourself with the essential skill sets such as WBS, Critical Path, Variance Analysis, Risk Assessment + understanding/appreciation of the work scope & contractual terms by learning, keep learning - not just by knocking the keyboard.
You might be the most junior member of the team, but you can make yourself to be the most influential of all.
Ill pause at this, for now.
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Hi Anoon,
Depends on your point of view I suppose, as for perfect knowledge or concepts of perfection were starting to get into the realms of philosophy and religion, which might not be the best idea.
Chris Oggham
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Hello Chris,
or is it that, theres no perfect knowledge? or nothing is perfect?
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Hi Anoon,
In your post #5, I see what you are getting at, though perhaps it’s the way people apply their experience which can be right or wrong. I agree too that knowledge can be right or wrong, and that Charlie’s assertion that knowledge is always right (post #8) is incorrect. After all if knowledge was always right, people would still know that the world was flat.
Chris Oggham
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Charlie,
if knowledge is always right, therell be no more Project delays, so maybe no need for Planners! thank God, wrong knowledge still exist! Charlies still in business! do you need an assistant by the way?!!!
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and if
you dont know, you shouldnt know or mustnt know
Then, GOd help you
you are a gullible man
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knowledge is always right
it is similar to facts
it becomes wrong when use in the wrong experience, or it becomes outdated
the point here is to always give the guys/gals the benifit of a doubt with his/her so so +++ 10 or 20 years experience
big chance it may be a wrong experience
Very easy to catch.
Just read their post in PP
and you know, should know, must know
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Anoon IImmos
is an alias.
Nobody seem to know him that why it is called
anonymous
He is the same person as PP ID number ...
Oh we dont have to be specific otherwise it will not become anonymoous anymore, no more thrilled....
Also the puzzle will be solved
On the other hand, it is very easy to make conclusion because you can get a lot of hints... here in PP
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Hi Anoon IImmos,
Are you related with "pinan toot".
Just wondering. your name seems very unique.
Cheers,
Kier
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"experience" can be right or wrong, knowledge as well, which one have you got Charlie?
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It depends
I have seen people with 10 years ++ or
20 years ++
with wrong experience.
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i believe measuring knowledge is difficult, experience makes knowledge, learning is another story
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in my undertanding
Junior Planning Engineer/Planner = 0 YRS
Planning Engineer/Planner = 0-3 YRS
Intermediate Planning Engineer/Planner = 3 YRS
Senior Planning Engineer/Planner = 6 YRS
Lead Planning Engineer/Planner = dont know