Management vs Leadership?

Yes, I beieve the leadership plays an important role in management.

When I wrote the blog on the The Leader Role in Agile Transformation, I found that managers to cooperate on the transformation with three common ways to begin transformation:

• System: the current work frame and the value of the organization. Build a cross-functional team, first focus on value and flow, and then change the practice and culture.
• Culture: the team mentality and thinking will change the structure and practice of the system.
• Practice: the method, the tool set or the framework, and then the institutional structure and culture will change accordingly.

You can read it more HERE.

Thank you.

The main difference between leaders and managers is that leaders have people follow them while managers have people who work for them.

A successful business owner needs to be both a strong leader and manager to get their team on board to follow them towards their vision of success. Leadership is about getting people to understand and believe in your vision and to work with you to achieve your goals while managing is more about administering and making sure the day-to-day things are happening as they should.

WHILE THERE ARE MANY TRAITS THAT MAKE UP A STRONG LEADER, SOME OF THE KEY CHARACTERISTICS ARE:

• Honesty & Integrity: are crucial to getting your people to believe you and buy into the journey you are taking them on
• Vision: know where you are, where you want to go and enroll your team in charting a path for the future
• Inspiration: inspire your team to be all they can by making sure they understand their role in the bigger picture
• Ability to Challenge: do not be afraid to challenge the status quo, do things differently and have the courage to think outside the box
• Communication Skills: keep your team informed of the journey, where you are, where you are heading and share any roadblocks you may encounter along the way

No matter how complex your work is, you really need tools that help you simplify the process. An online or on-premise portfolio and project management tools are designed to help leaders and management tracking multiple projects, with simple to use collaboration features that extend across the entire organization.

Gordon,



Take no notice, mate. Nobody else does, just remember Charlie’s had a sense of humour bypass, so he doesn’t understand one-liners and throwaway remarks. Happy New year to you too.



Chris

.... coming from Charlie, I’m not sure how you should take that......



Happy new year all

Alex, you’re on drugs,



as in drug A#$ict or depe$%#t=t.



Commomn men, don’t e too honest here in PP.



You seem to be one of the sensible planner here in PP.

Dear all



Is it me or something not seem right, reading some of the postings seem to be so confusing



O well, must be me taking the wrong drug again



Al

Brad,



You should be a Comic Writer not a planner, sure you don’t feel bored...;>



Joking side..

Brad,

To be honest to you, I think you knew this; That all Planners on Earth experienced a Negative Variances in progress. That is why there is what we called (PRA)- Project Risks Analysis.



Regards,

Hello Brad,



I hope at this moment you are in good health. Well, if you are now doing some sort of Planning or if you are a Planner, I think you land in Airport, you suppose to be in a Sea Port. For me, If ever I’ll signed contract to be a Planner or a Manager it is guaranteed that i love my job, it’s a very simple "logic", if you don’t like it, you quit, If you like love it and be proactive.



Cheers!

Hello Guys,



For me I don’t feel that Planning is boring, and I like to attend progress meeting too...he..he of course my progress is positive...

Hello! Charles, how are you man..



Regards,



Jerry

Oliver,





YEEEES, the threads of these TWO contributors make my boring planning day less bored.

How about the English word ’stupendous’

Gentlemen,



Fully agree with Clive that planning is boring. What make the activity interesting is the planner’s

Attitude. You mentioned “wide perspective on life”. This quality is not everybody, just for FEW. How can you get it, Sorry to say that you can not buy it in the supermarket.



Sensei, thanks for your words, make me feel well.



To those who are in the list of most active Discussion Forum contributors, I would like to say that I can read your threads without being bored. I can make another comments BUT no boring. Specially two contributors I find their threads estupendos (no English word). No need to mention names because they know WHO they are.



Cheers,

ahh... it’s a bit like ’our tune’ with Simon Bates



sorry folks, english radio reference

Jerry,



What we have on board is Carmnen.



I found her sensible in the way she post in PP.



The other gals are for you to give an opinion. I prefer to withhold my opinion of the others, but, believe me, Carment making sense of our planning planet.



Just like you, I live in the man’s world of construction. From sunrise to sunset, it is always a battle to get the work done my way, no other way but "MY WAY".



When I worked in Malaysia, I worked at Head Office. My boss was a female. The first time and the only time I worked with a female boss. She was very gentle to me. Then and then, I know it was different if girls are the leader. We did a lot in changing the way we did our work in an effective manner. Eventually, she left me for a better offer and my new boss was .... So it was war, a war I loss.



So we will see where this thread will lead us.



Cheers,

Sensei

Successful Project Management Consultant

GUYS!!!



Now, I believed that this is the time to know more about nonesense than those Planning items.

Can we change the issue to a better one... be professional.



Good Sense,

Deleting emails about this thread is starting to get boring now.



This website should change name to ’Lonely’PlannersPlanet.com

AIWA in Arabic,



Ya in Bahasa Malaysia



Oui in French

Ja in German

Hai in Japanese

Y in Chinese

Ja in Dutch Netherlands

Vai in Greek

Sim in Portuguese

Ja in Swedish



Wan in Ilocano

OO in Tagalog and Bisaya



YES Carmen

Carmen,



I confirm I say "Si" in espanol



"YES" in the universal language



Cheers,

Sensei

Successful Project Management Consultant

Clive,



My topics:

1.- If you had the opportunity to choose your career again, what would you choose. And WHY

2.- Favorite film and why



3.- A book that has influenced your life.

4.- Is China a sleep giant?. Will China become the next Empire??



5.- Being EXPAT for many years, what is your opinion about cultures and human beings.

6.- South America. Are we born corrupted.



Charlie,



Knowing Clive and my topics, please SAY YES.



Cheers

Clive,



Charlie jumping to conclusions? Surely not? It’s simply because he doesn’t read the other posts in the thread. I seem to recall that you explained to him once before your antededents, I suppose he must have missed it.



Chris

Hey Clive,



Going thru this chain, just thought one good topic to discuss would be :



- PLANNERS - how bored are you?



Cheers!

Carmen,



You made sense.



But believe me, woman and man relationship discussion is very normal for people with Spanish blood.



The english gentlemen are very shy of their EMOTIONS.



Believe me Carmen, it will be an uphill climb to arrive at something manageable in this kind of conversation.



OF course I agree with your post.



Cheers,

Clive,



Being part of the group of doing things with moderation, I will be delighted to sit with you in Rome with a bottle of Chilean wine for you (for instance,Casillero del Diablo) and a bottle of Balvenie for me.



How can we persuade Charlie to sit with US. First, accepting him the way he socializes with Milk. No jokes about that. Second, avoiding any topic regarding planning and leadership.

If we believe we are successful planners and leaders in our fields, why to talk bout that.



What are we going to talk about , Planners and PM Consultants. I will propose, woman and man relationship.



Looking forward to hearing your topics.



Cheers

G’day all,

Interesting discussion, (not the least of which is Amsterdam).



I always think of Leadership as "The ability to instil in others the will to want to follow." i.e be led.



I think it is a key component of a good manager, but a good leader may not be a good manager.



I see people every day, whom their employees really enjoy working for, but their departments are just not achieving the results.



Other depts have great results but the people are being "managed" to achieve that and are less satisfied than others.

Hello Charles,



Appreciate if you can give me an idea of who is Carmen...hhmm just pretty curious to know...is it Carmen Electra?...



Leadership & Management... for me they are the driver in all aspects in business.



Cheers,



Hi! Carmen,



I am Jerry...;>



Regards

Carmen,



It will not be possible for me and Clive to sit in the same table with you.



We have different strong and leadership personality. Just make deductive reasoning of our post and come up with your own conclusion.



Im not in the alcohol drinking socializing function anymore. After more than 20 years of drinking alcohol, all i got is liver schirosis.



So....



Is it possible that you will drink the beer or any type of alcoholic drink while I will drink only MILK or mineral water.



In this way we can plan and we know what to expect.



Cheers,

Charlie

Charlie and Clive,



I am most interested in meeting both on the same table. But If someone who admires General McArthur can not sit together with someone who’s his dream leader is Margaret Tatcher, I would love having a separate dates with each.



Charlie,



I would love talking with you about leadership in a Man’s world of Construction Project (as you mentioned on post #33) . It is not about woman’s place in this world, It is about understanding the scandal associated to a BP executive who resigned from BP after admitting lying over affair with gay lover. Here, there is an example of 41 years of career in a male business in one of the TOP 3 Oil Companies. Was he a leader ?? being gay.



Cheers,

Carmen

I’m 45 years young,



so you can nominate your second.



and we will let PP know the result.



Cheers,



Charlie

Clive,



Dont mess with Carmen,



She is >>>>>> ehem.



I hope you understand or we will end up with some exercise.



I’m a big fan of Jackie Chan.



Cheers,



Charlie

I think that somewhere in the South of Thailand would be better.



You can make your money go further once you’re there and it could coincide with a full moon party for a little stress relief.



Plus, there would be plenty of lady boys to keep Sensei busy.

Hi Clive,



To answer your question, I would expect a project manager to be able to manage a project (ok a bit trite, I know); not necessarily to be an expert on management theory, but to have a sound working knowledge of management practice. Personally, I think that a knowledge of the theory is also useful, not just for project managers but for anyone in a management position.



Where a knowledge of management theory is essential, is where you try to advance a viewpoint like the one in this thread. If the originator isn’t familiar with management theory, they are going to find their arguments refuted, because they have no basis in fact. When that happens, irespective of how they style themselves, they just end up looking ridiculous.



Chris

Hi guys,



One question: Is it true that leaders are born or developed? Nature or nurture?



Regards,



Ed

MEET UP,

In the Damm !!!????



Hey i’m up for tea & Cake & a Smoke !!!?

Brussels has more Michelin starred restos per head of population than any other city in the world, so I’m led to believe. Of course that’s mostly to do with the EU and various lobby groups with nothing better to do than spend OUR tax money on entertainment.



That’s expected to change with Michelin’s first edition guide to Tokyo due out next year.



We also have the best Chips and while I tip my hat to Amsterdam for their toleration of mild substance abuse Eindhoven is a short drive from Bxl and the belgian police are pretty tolerant of imports ;-)



Oh, and Brussels is 2.5 hrs by train from London (less now Paddington is open I think), 1.5 from Paris and 3 from Amdam (until the Thalys gets sorted) so centrally located aswell.



My wife already points and laughs at me when I say I’m on a forum of planners. I have no idea what her reaction would be to me announcing that I was going to a meetup.



What is the collective noun for planners anyway?

Brad,



Excellent idea, the PP get together. Some suggestions came to my MIND:



Where: Few options would be:



A place with tolerance to all sexual orientations: Amsterdam

Place with the best Beer: Brussels

A place with tolerance to use (but not abuse) of drugs consumption: Amsterdam

A place with excellent food: Rome and Paris



PP member with mandatory attendance;

YOU

Clive Randall

Chris Oggham



The above members have posted more than 400 posts



Who is going to pay the bill: The get together would be considered as an expense of the budget from the Successful PM consultant with mandatory attendance.



Cheers

Charlie,



There aren’t many times you’re right, and this certainly isn’t one of them. In your post #55 you said that you would explain with a hypothetical case, you didn’t do that.



What you did do was mis-state the functions of management, just so there is no mistake I’ll list them for you:



Planning

Organising

Commanding

Coordinating

Controlling

Henri Fayol

Planning

Organising

Leading

Controlling

Louis Allen

You then went on to make a statement that what would separate one from the other in the delivery of projects was leadership. What utter tosh!



In case you hadn’t noticed, Leadership is an integral function of management. Leadership styles vary, some managers are better at it than others, but you have, as always, offered no evidence to support your assertion. In this instance I do not believe that there is any evidence that could be offered. In support of that assertion I offer the following:



Management principles still are the same. It is just that the tools have changed. You still find the right people to do the work and get out of the way so they can do it.



You’ll find it in Gerry Madden’s 100 Rules for NASA Project Managers, it’s rule 3 in the Project Manager section.



Strangely enough he doesn’t have much to say about leadership, the nearest he comes to it is in rule 9 in the same section:



The boss may not know how to do the work but he has to know what he wants. The boss had better find out what he expects and wants if he doesn’t know. A blind leader tends to go in circles.



In other words if the project manager doesn’t understand what is needed, it doesn’t matter how charismatic he is, how many rousing speeches he makes, how gallantly he is prepared to die for his project, the only place he’s going to lead it is right into the toilet.



You then give one of your more ridiculous generalising platitudes about leadership prevailing and making a lot of difference; what, precisely, is it going to prevail against?



Charlie, you really are full of it.



Chris Oggham

Karim,



I agree with you.



NOw the thread can be best explain in hypothical case:



Two manager with the same qualification. Both can be the fundamental function of management: Planning, orgranizing, implementation, control/monitoring.



What will separate the one from the other in delivery of projects.



LEADERSHIP



In conclusion, leadership will prevail and will make a lot of difference.



Cheers,

Sensei

Successful Project Management Consultant

Please all don’t mix biblical stories with Planning planet, it is not the place to discuss such things.



Sexual orientation shouldn’t affect your judgment whether a planner/project manager will do a good job or not, it simply doesn’t has a relationship with the management/leadership issues.



IMHO sexual orientation should be a matter of ethics/morals/culture, it differs from place to another and absolutely shouldn’t be discussed herein.



Racism also defines a person who is narrow minded, ignorant and wrong, We are all human beings.

People should be judged by the contents of their minds (As Dr. Martin Luther King said).

One who believes in supremacy of race against other is mistaken both ethically and scientifically.



Karim

James,



To be honest I think it’s just Charlie’s paranoia that leads him to believe he’s being threatened. As for his attempts to be noticed yes, I suppose you are right they are quite successful. But I would ask, who in their right mind wants to be noticed in the same way that you notice something rather nasty on your shoe?



Chris

I think he was talking about me Gerome...



Charley darling, I didn’t threaten you. A threat is an if/then statement. I simply stated an (albeit anecdotal) statistic.



I am not a moderator or you would have already heard about it. As such, please feel free to go on spouting your bigotted views in an (I have to admit somewhat successful) attempt to get noticed. Even though I wish you would not.



who were Soddam and Gammorah ... a band?

Charlie,



Surely by now you have realised that your posts have offended a large number of people. Yet far from withdrawing or apologising you have begun trying to moralise and justify your utterances. You whinge and moan that people don’t give you the respect you seem to think is your due, but after the bigoted, vindictive posts that you have made in so many threads, is that surprising?



Clive is absolutely right, real planners are not bigots and respect the opinions and inclinations of others, even if they don’t agree with them. I also agree with Gerome’s sentiments should you ever catch fire.



Chris Oggham

Charles,



What I would do is stop looking at everyone like you’re a victim and really have a long had look at yourself as it is not just me who against your views, comments and postings on PP.

I have not threatened you, if you were on fire I would not even p!ss on you to put out the flames. You’re just not worth the time or effort.



Sorry to all the other PP members who is reading this.

And as a parting words to leave this issue and move on the the main issue of this thread: LEADERSHIP



Some leaders of the world today or some royal of the world today may not be able to say this



BUT I HAVE THIS TO SAY:



REMEMBER SODOM AND GOMORRAH

Gerome,



What I’m trying to say is that in Planning Planet, some members were raise not accepting this behaviour.



As you said, in western countries. Is planning planet western countries. Ok we will give the gays there rights but the others also must have there rights.



At the end of the day, it is the moderator that will have the final say of what we post here. Agree with this. OK



I will continue:



threathening a fellow PP member to be zap or remove in PP is the greatest act of cowardice.



cowards are not leaders, WHY THIS MAN IS THREATHENING ME??????, I know the answers because this is not the first time I’m threathen and this is also not the last.



Remember this



It is the brave and daring that shows leadership qualities.



Sensei,

Successful Project Management Consultant

Gerome and Chris; QFT



I had planned to write something too but was left open mouthed at the notion of Homo Sapiens being discriminated against... by who; homo erectus? Neanderthals? The obvious answer is cats, who discriminate against all other species, but they’re not a culture, as such.



Open bigotry is the most common reason given for banning people from forums across the internets. It’s better than closet bigotry I suppose...

Gerome,



I totally agree with your post, I wish I could have put it that well.



Charlie’s views seem to be becoming more extreme, but Planning Planet is not the place for them to be expressed. Charlie complains about a supposed attempt to impose UK standards on other countries, where is this happening then? As far as I can see the only person attempting impose standards is Charlie, and what narrow-minded, bigoted standards they are.



Chris Oggham

Charles.



Until now I have enjoyed some of your rants and find them sometimes funny.



Your attack on people sexual preferences is out of order.

In my country this is classed the same as being racist and should not be allowed to be posted on PP. You could be arrested for this in some western countries.

It does not matter if you are gay, transvestite, black, white or brown everyone should be treated the same. Even if you are against it they should be left alone.

“In UK, they accept this abnormal behavior, for example SIR ELTON JOHN. And UK standard cannot be imposed on other countries in accepting abnormal behaviour human behaviour.”

Elton John has done more for good causes than you would ever do in your life. Our queen has also knighted him and I find your comment totally out of order.



Personal choices on race, spirituality, gender has nothing to do with leadership or planning so please avoid posting them on this web site.



W@NKER

HI Jerry,



I’m doing fine. How about you??



We do have to look at the past, specially leader (the subject of this post). This is because the present day leaders are not really solving the problems. This is evident in the project they manage at the same time lead. They can be judged past the events that took place, the how, why, etc., etc.,....



With respect to hitting the belt, actually in some culture Homo Sapien or Transvites are not accepted. They are discriminated and this is very true. It is wrong to say the truth here in PP.



In UK, they accept this abnormal behavior, for example SIR ELTON JOHN. And UK standard cannot be imposed on other countries in accepting abnormal behaviour human behaviour.



When I was in Malaysia, I got lost in Jalan Chokit. I saw this girl with skirt, nice body telling me Hi. When I look at her/she/he, she/he got ADAM’s apple. I have to run.



But I was told the story about Sodom and Gomorah, so I cannnot involve with this kind of activities and I always maintain a respectable distance with this kind of people.



It is up to planning planet if I will be remove because I’m telling the truth.



Cheers,



Sensei

Successful Project Management Consultant

Se,



You are entitled to your own opinion. I also agree that he was not a hero as per Philippines textbook.



General Douglas MacArthur is "MY HERO".



I read his bio-graphy "GENERAL DOUGLAS MACARTHUR: THE AMERICAN CAESAR"



It helped me in my college days and early days as professional civil engineer because I wanted to be like him, what he did, his life when he went to West Point, the way he live. He was a bright student, top of his class (Baron, in PMA). He demonstrated bravery in his youth, a born leader. Brilliant



This is what this thread all about: Leadership.



Also this is for the young one, not the young once (the old one should learn that the HERO is in you after all the trials in life).





Please do not make negative statement of "MY HERO".



Cheers,



Sensei

Successful Project Management Consultant