i cannot remember what i said, you can use P3 as long as you like! i dont even have a single clue about P5, and ive heard that therell be P6 coming! i just hope that there will be no P100!
hk! hk! cheers!
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Submitted by Amreshwar Shukla on Mon, 2007-06-11 02:34
I am not agreeing with both of YOU. P3 was a great tool for many years and can be great tool for many more coming years if it incorporates the following changes-
1.Convert the software to 32bit.
2.Change the backend database from betrive to other better option.
3.Change the way in which WBS are being made and updated ( can borrow the usability from P5)
4.Change the way in which Resources are being assigned and updated to activities.
5.Close association with Ms Office for better reporting purpose.
Remember that P5 and P3 are for different audience and both were serving to them in last several years nicely. Only Primavera can tells us why they are converging to one. Are they listening????
Garcia- being a follower of PMI for many years, I can assure you that P3 can full all the obligation of PMBOK.
i would say that ive never learned P3 to the "exceptional limit" as ive never been an exceptional person, BUT, i guess the developers of P3 has reach their limit to the extent that therell be no more further versions, which means that to stay in business they must create another program so that the users will continue to learn. "life goes on"
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Submitted by ulysses garcia on Sat, 2007-06-09 11:08
I felt sad and disappointed when i heard a new release called P5 . I learned P3 into exceptional limit but i regret to say that P3 has too many fitfalls as commented in the PMI college of schedulling. ( refer to CPM in construction management by Plothnick). the advantage in using P5 is i would say Time Saving, you dont need to spend much of your time doing ???? as what P3 does... P3 itself will not able to compared in details of any changes in the schedules from baseline to the current . unlike P5 it has incorporated a Claim Digger. Nothing is wrong to remain P3 as users as long as you wont reliased someday you will find the world is behind at you....
The other point with P5 (and now P6) is that though they are scaleable product, the whole software structure has become too big. P5 requires database server and P6 will rquire a client server. One may argue that you can still install it in your laptop. Sure it can. But then whats the use of having a standalone version if most of the new features actually are for network.
P5 (and P6) are good centrilised systems and works really good in such environment. But as for planning, the ground reality is that projects are all different to each other and with very litte or no relationship between those projects at all. P3 is the best solution in all such situations. Of course, P3 could have been improved further, but instead they started running a paralllet software as enterprise version. And so far there has not been any sign of convergence of those two.
And as for support - I may not be wrong if I say these days Planning Planet provides more support for P3 thatn Primavera.
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Submitted by KongChung Chan on Fri, 2007-06-08 01:16
I got pass that cockpit problems of P5 and able to get all the printouts, matrix reports. S curves etc etc of P3. Took me a few tough days.
P5 just do not match the user friendliness of P3. And in many ways P3 is still more powerful than P5.
P3 is no longer supported, but I cannot see how that equate to P3 being obsolete, and shouted at us in capital letters as well. I suspect you do not know P3 well.
Long live P3
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Submitted by Florante Ileto on Thu, 2007-06-07 13:03
i think p3 will still be around even though there will be P6 - P(infinity).It has the feature of basic planning which most young planner need to know.For P5 user, you may find P3 "obsolete" but remember that it is the knowledge you got from P3 that makes you appreciate and learned P5 fast.
Nonetheless, the market will determine the future of P3.There are still companies, even MANAGERS do not know the benefit of using P3, how much more P5.
Some PROJECT CONSULTANT requires project schedules to be done in PRIMAVERA.After you made them, they look afterwardskeep it in their shelves.
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Submitted by ulysses garcia on Thu, 2007-06-07 10:43
When you become familiar in using P5 by using advanced configuration and setting up the tools. Im definitely sure you may embraced it..Even myself before has made comments in P5 like yours, But i reliaze im wrong...
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Submitted by ruben quintal on Thu, 2007-06-07 00:08
And I can guarantee even the release of P6 next month will not be able to keep P3 to rest. The multi project functionality has still not been incorporated in P6. So definitely long live P3.
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Submitted by Hemanth Kumar on Wed, 2007-06-06 06:02
P3 is still strong with the planning communities because you can get more, then what you required as a planner. Except initial steep learning curve this software is still best among all other software’s available in the market. Peoples who swear by P5 can do anything of following in P5 -
1. Production of graphical reports.
2. Production of great banana curve from late & early data (graphical or otherwise).
3. Actual expenses and remaining cost curves as one curve ( they are now being shown differently in P5 and confusing).
LONG LIVE P3
Regards,
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Submitted by Santosh Bhat on Tue, 2007-06-05 06:32
I don think it is related with operating system alone. There were other forum discussion here which confirm that P3 runs well in Vista as well. It the nature of programme that will keep P3 alive at least until all the features of P3 are supported by newer versions. I am going to see Briefing of P6 tomorrow - lets see what this latest Primavera software has to offer and whether it can send the good old P3 to rest.
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Submitted by Santosh Bhat on Tue, 2007-06-05 04:49
And P3 may not be supported, but it is still too far from being obsolete. I have been using enterprise version of Primavera (starting with P3e Ver 4 and then Ver 5 for past three years). Agreed it is powerful and it has got new features which P3 did not have. But it also dropped some very user friendly features like working in multiple projects in different layouts etc. For these and many other reasons, P3 is still live and will keep on going.
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Submitted by Santosh Bhat on Mon, 2007-06-04 05:45
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Amreshwar,
i cannot remember what i said, you can use P3 as long as you like! i dont even have a single clue about P5, and ive heard that therell be P6 coming! i just hope that there will be no P100!
hk! hk! cheers!
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22 years 6 monthsRE: Primavera P3 is OBSOLETE
Dear Ulysses & Anoon
I am not agreeing with both of YOU. P3 was a great tool for many years and can be great tool for many more coming years if it incorporates the following changes-
1.Convert the software to 32bit.
2.Change the backend database from betrive to other better option.
3.Change the way in which WBS are being made and updated ( can borrow the usability from P5)
4.Change the way in which Resources are being assigned and updated to activities.
5.Close association with Ms Office for better reporting purpose.
Remember that P5 and P3 are for different audience and both were serving to them in last several years nicely. Only Primavera can tells us why they are converging to one. Are they listening????
Garcia- being a follower of PMI for many years, I can assure you that P3 can full all the obligation of PMBOK.
LONG LIVE P3
Regards,
A.S.Shukla.
Shukla@myrealbox.com
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19 years 1 monthRE: Primavera P3 is OBSOLETE
i would say that ive never learned P3 to the "exceptional limit" as ive never been an exceptional person, BUT, i guess the developers of P3 has reach their limit to the extent that therell be no more further versions, which means that to stay in business they must create another program so that the users will continue to learn. "life goes on"
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20 years 2 monthsRE: Primavera P3 is OBSOLETE
I felt sad and disappointed when i heard a new release called P5 . I learned P3 into exceptional limit but i regret to say that P3 has too many fitfalls as commented in the PMI college of schedulling. ( refer to CPM in construction management by Plothnick). the advantage in using P5 is i would say Time Saving, you dont need to spend much of your time doing ???? as what P3 does... P3 itself will not able to compared in details of any changes in the schedules from baseline to the current . unlike P5 it has incorporated a Claim Digger. Nothing is wrong to remain P3 as users as long as you wont reliased someday you will find the world is behind at you....
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24 years 5 monthsRE: Primavera P3 is OBSOLETE
Dont get too excited with P5, P6, P7. P3 is here to stay. 3 to 4 years ago, there are more excited people then, the situation have not changed.
Cheers,
Se
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The other point with P5 (and now P6) is that though they are scaleable product, the whole software structure has become too big. P5 requires database server and P6 will rquire a client server. One may argue that you can still install it in your laptop. Sure it can. But then whats the use of having a standalone version if most of the new features actually are for network.
P5 (and P6) are good centrilised systems and works really good in such environment. But as for planning, the ground reality is that projects are all different to each other and with very litte or no relationship between those projects at all. P3 is the best solution in all such situations. Of course, P3 could have been improved further, but instead they started running a paralllet software as enterprise version. And so far there has not been any sign of convergence of those two.
And as for support - I may not be wrong if I say these days Planning Planet provides more support for P3 thatn Primavera.
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21 years 3 monthsRE: Primavera P3 is OBSOLETE
I got pass that cockpit problems of P5 and able to get all the printouts, matrix reports. S curves etc etc of P3. Took me a few tough days.
P5 just do not match the user friendliness of P3. And in many ways P3 is still more powerful than P5.
P3 is no longer supported, but I cannot see how that equate to P3 being obsolete, and shouted at us in capital letters as well. I suspect you do not know P3 well.
Long live P3
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19 yearsRE: Primavera P3 is OBSOLETE
i think p3 will still be around even though there will be P6 - P(infinity).It has the feature of basic planning which most young planner need to know.For P5 user, you may find P3 "obsolete" but remember that it is the knowledge you got from P3 that makes you appreciate and learned P5 fast.
Nonetheless, the market will determine the future of P3.There are still companies, even MANAGERS do not know the benefit of using P3, how much more P5.
Some PROJECT CONSULTANT requires project schedules to be done in PRIMAVERA.After you made them, they look afterwardskeep it in their shelves.
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hi
When you become familiar in using P5 by using advanced configuration and setting up the tools. Im definitely sure you may embraced it..Even myself before has made comments in P5 like yours, But i reliaze im wrong...
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I find P5 very helpul in monitoring purposes, but when it comes to planning & TIA, P3 is still the best.
Log Live P3!
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I find P5 very helpul in monitoring purposes, but when it comes to planning & TIA, P3 is still the best.
Log Live P3!
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And I can guarantee even the release of P6 next month will not be able to keep P3 to rest. The multi project functionality has still not been incorporated in P6. So definitely long live P3.
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Utter Ignorance
Long Live P3
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P3 is still strong with the planning communities because you can get more, then what you required as a planner. Except initial steep learning curve this software is still best among all other software’s available in the market. Peoples who swear by P5 can do anything of following in P5 -
1. Production of graphical reports.
2. Production of great banana curve from late & early data (graphical or otherwise).
3. Actual expenses and remaining cost curves as one curve ( they are now being shown differently in P5 and confusing).
LONG LIVE P3
Regards,
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Thats not quite true, now, is it??
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if P3 would be obsolete, so is Planning!
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I don think it is related with operating system alone. There were other forum discussion here which confirm that P3 runs well in Vista as well. It the nature of programme that will keep P3 alive at least until all the features of P3 are supported by newer versions. I am going to see Briefing of P6 tomorrow - lets see what this latest Primavera software has to offer and whether it can send the good old P3 to rest.
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Long Live P3 - for as long as you can continue to use Windows XP.
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I got my training for P3 back in 1996-1997. Since than, I love it. Long live p3.
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And P3 may not be supported, but it is still too far from being obsolete. I have been using enterprise version of Primavera (starting with P3e Ver 4 and then Ver 5 for past three years). Agreed it is powerful and it has got new features which P3 did not have. But it also dropped some very user friendly features like working in multiple projects in different layouts etc. For these and many other reasons, P3 is still live and will keep on going.
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There is already a forum for P5 - the P3e/c forum.