Where are all the planners in London?

’bidie in’?

Gwen - what’s "dooking"?



James.

Just back from "Dubya". Its hot humid and full of hookers.

The "city" is at grid lock, the rental market high and I suspect the housing market is at saturation point.

Salaries look good on paper. and NO BEER/WINE served with food.

I thought it a tad Americanised.

Your life is in other peoples hands crossing Jumeria Beach Road.

Saying that enjoyed the owners Closure at the Races and there are some cracking dooking to be had.

The class division is very visible.

Yes there are worse places to work but there many better places to work.

Unless you get the full Dubai package or have a "bidie in" already set up there I would say cast your net elsewhere.

Mimoune,



I don’t think that ’snobbery’ is the case.



A lot of time it is down to levels of speaking, literacy and security the company requires.



It is the same as me trying to get a job in a chinese speaking firm, they wouldn’t hire me because my mandarin is even worse than my planning.



Oliver

sometimes i get the feeling that for " foreign" companies as we say here, are not always motivated by productivity/wages ratio, at least here in my country, many of them prefer to hire some highly expensive expat for some Junior work, and they simply snob the local. ok we are not the best workers out there in the world, nevertheless we are not so bad,

Guys and Gals!



Oh no!



Charlie is the reincarnation of Jimmy Saville - it all makes so much sense now!

Oliver



That’s unfair - I know what a STD is.



David

Hi Chris and to all planners in London,



I got all the message.



Actually, I got the best job so no point really in going to London or UK. I’m just trying to put some idea.



The only thing that interest me in going to London or UK is to visit ancient castle, take a look of British royalty, anything something historical: origin of magna carta, robin hood, knights of the round table, etc., etc.



I’ll just work hard to save a lot of money for me to visit London or UK as a tourist.



See you someday guys and gals in London or UK.



Cheers,



Charlie

Hi all,



Just for information!!!



These days Indian Newspapers are full of requirement of Planning Engineers in UK. Big and Jumbo companies are now recruiting loads and loads of Indian Planning Engineers for metro rail projects and 2012 olympic stadiums.



Also most of the companies are now outsourcing the planning stuff with cameras being installed in UK sites and planning Engineers sitting in Indian cities.



These companies are now tapping, so now called as "Intellectual Capital" to fpcus on core competencies, to anticipate better future costs, to lower costs.



The most important aspect of accepting the outsourcing the Indian Planning Engineers, is the proven performance records and also with new colleges developing at par with best construction managemnet schools like NICMAR (National Institute of Construction Management And Research, Pune).



Companies like Belfour Beatty, Halcrow, Atkins are preferring Indian Planning Engineers than outsourcing from some other third country of the world.



Cheers,



Raviraj A Bhedase

Haha!



Its true! Us english planners don’t know our CPI’s from our STI’s but we still get paid!

Charlie,



I think you will find that one of the interview marking criteria to get a job in GREAT Britain is to be able to co-operate with other people from shop floor to director level, third world or royalty!



Being allowed in doesn’t guarantee you a job.

Now, now, children......!!!

Hi Charlie,

I think that you may have misunderstood what is meant by a skilled worker. What it means is someone having skills abilities or training that will be useful to the UK. Now I am quite happy to believe you if you can’t even dream of being a skilled worker, since it appears that you aren’t even capable of reading a simple post correctly.

You quite obviously didn’t use the link, otherwise you would have seen just what is meant by a skilled worker and just how easy it is to enter the UK as a skilled worker. Instead you told us about your Bsc in Civil Engineering, well congratulations, mine is in Naval Architecture, mind you I did my post grad work in management ending up with an MBA, found it interesting and went on to do a PhD. The funny thing is though none of these bits of paper do a great deal to make me better at my job, for that I need the skills and experience I have developed throughout my working life.

To deal with the point you made about easing the entry process for specific professionals such as planners, I’m not too sure that that would be legal under UK law. By easing the process for one group, you would be discriminating against other groups by not doing so; discrimination is something for which there is extensive legislation in the UK.

One thing that puzzles me though is why you would think that UK government action in the way you describe is going to be for the good of the UK and its citizens.

As for the UK government not realising the importance of your thread, Charlie, I’m sorry to have to break this to you, but your thread isn’t important. All that has happened is that you have, again, made some disparaging remarks about English people, been told to put up or shut up, tried to confuse the issue with you usual irrelevances and been pulled up short again.

Important? Charlie it’s barely interesting.

Chris Oggham

Hello Chris,



I never dreamed of working as skilled worker.



This gave me inspiration to burned midnight candle to ensure I finished college "Bachelor of Science in CIVIL ENGINEERING. I DID!!!!!



The originator of the post is asking question Blah Blah Blah?????



And there are none.



But London needs planner for the 2012 Olympic.



The only way is to get planner in third world countries. And this will involve easing the "clearance entry" / visa / work permit for specific professionals "PLANNER".



The earlier the UK government will act on this issue will for the own good of UK and its citizen including you and David.



Why???? I will let you know somedday.



Now your government do not realize the importance of my thread. But someday, looking back, I will be correct.



Cheers,



Charlie

Hi David,

Please don’t put ideas into Charlie’s head, he’s got plenty of his own and has already said that if immigration and work permits were easy, he would be the first to fly in. The thing is I don’t think Charlie realises just how easy it is to get in if you are a skilled worker, the website Working in the UK tells you exactly what you need to do and how to do it.

But then again I’m sure Charlie knows this already, after all its not a secret, is it? Perhaps instead of making disparaging remarks about the English, Charlie ought to come to the UK and show us all how it is done. I don’t think it will happen, though, Charlie is having too much fun in Dubai, or so it would seem.

But until the day he does come and show us all how it is done, perhaps phrasing his opinions a little more tactfully might be in order. An old site foreman I once worked with put it very succinctly "put up or shut up!" Chris Oggham

Money in Dubai is not as great as everyone makes out.

For people who are from the U.K, the wages here are not as good as the U.K.

But when you take not having to pay tax, no housing cost’s, council tax, cheap petrol, cheap car’s, cheap cigarettes, bloody hot weather, safe environment it becomes a bit better to swallow !!



Money should also get better out here as too many projects are coming on-line with no one to fill the jobs, they will have to increase the money if they are going to attract the people.

Prices in Dubai are not too far away from prices in the U.K. Rental’s are very expensive, Beer, electronics - it is not as cheap as everyone makes out. they are well aware that the Ex-pats have larger salary’s and they are cashing in.... don’t be fooled.

don’t get me wrong my money does go further than what it did in the U.K, but that is just down to not having to pay out on mortgage and all the tax which the U.K. imposes.

I have been here four months, I love it don’t get me wrong, but it is not cheap out here, but if you get the right package you can have a nice life.

I don’t know why but when Alex said “people are being employed with seriously low skill sets due to the low availability of planning candidates” it made me think of Charlie…



Charlie… have you made any effort to come and work in the UK. If you are successful please can you let me know… that might be the start of a major exodus of UK planners.

Alex,



I can only say U N B E L I E V A B L E.



This is only true for english planners.



I hope you know what I mean.



The best way is to allow planners from third world countries to work in LONDON.



This is only interim measures since LONDON is preparing for the Olympic in 2012.



Cheers,



Charlie

Where have all the london planners gone????



Maybe look under London bridge!!!



But definitely I found a lot of this breed here in the beautiful place called UAE for United Arab Emirates.



No tax, highest pay, less work, only clubbing and a lot of blah blah blah using native english tongue.



Better hire planners from third world countries and bring them to London.



Lobby your government for easy access in immigration or work permit.



I will be the first to fly in.



Cheers,



Charlie