I completely agree with you. If Charlie wants to decide on what is acceptable or not acceptable on a forum, all he has to do is set up his own, then he can lay down whatever standards he wants, but not on Planning Planet.
Until he actually said what was troubling him, I really did have no idea what he was talking about. Gwen`s humorous off-the-cuff remark a "green joke"? What rubbish! Perhaps Charlie should remember the old saying: "To the pure all things are pure." If Charlie sees anything sexual or dirty in Gwen`s remark it says rather more about his mind than Gwen`s remark.
I really think Charlie sees himself as "Mr Planning Planet" and wants to coerce everyone into adopting his own peculiar viewpoint. Youd think as a planner he would know that in project work you dont adopt a course of action which is never going to work.
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Submitted by Charleston-Jos… on Tue, 2006-02-07 12:30
The "GREEN JOKES" im refering is the post by GWEN BLAIR.
Do you have a problem with that?
On behalf of PP, it is a problem.
This is not a pornographic site. Any connotation of sexuality should not be entertain or taboo.
But then this is PP, only the moderator can police.
On the other hand, on behalf of the ladies out their that feel insulted on those post, let me assure that it is not the goal of PP to expose sexuality in these forum.
If only Gwen will look at the left hand corner of Planning Planet, the initiator of PP use that mascot because the boy is so innocene. He is only interested in "NETWORKING PLANNING, PROGRAMMING & CONTROLS PROFESSIONAL AROUND THE WORLD".
I always picture that boy to be the new generation of planner: planning mindset and computer suavy.
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Submitted by Gordon Blair on Tue, 2006-02-07 07:20
Charlie is absolutely correct, he did start that thread on 27th November 2005. To date, no-one else has participated, possibly because they didn’t think it was a good idea, didn’t find it relevant or amusing or maybe something else. So I don’t know where Charlie is finding these impertinent and "green" jokes.
I can’t see what American English has got to do with it, or any other language for that matter, unless Charlie objects to English being the working language of Planning Planet. If that is the case Charlie could always set up his own forum using whatever language he liked, mind you it would probably get the same amount of participation in that as in the thread he set up.
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Submitted by Charleston-Jos… on Sun, 2006-02-05 10:56
To to original thread, best idea of the week, month, year, Lifespan.
Mine has to be leaving a staff job to go contracting. Its not for everyone mind you. Until I made that move, job security/stay at home was of prime importance.
Then some God damned frog Contractor kissed me and when I awoke I had been air press ganged to site.
Quite an interesting site, but then again the majority of people do try to develop their capacities and improve their knowledge. I`ve frequently noted in posts by you and Philip and many others as well references to recent learning experiences.
I think that this is possibly what is meant by Uomo Universale, someone who tries to learn from every experience in their life; someone capable of exploring new vistas instead of closing their mind to any opinion but their own.
As far as the term "Renaissance Man" not applying to women. If we trace the meaning of the word "Man" back a bit further, it turns out to be not gender specific. Man, originally, just meant person, so both male and female can be "Renaissance Man".
And I recommend the best idea of the Month: January 2006 is Mr. Philip Jonker reply # 42.
My wholehearted congratulation to Philip. May you continue to share the essence of planning unselfishly that comes deep in your heart as we move on to "IMPROVE PLANNING PLANET".
Cheers to all, PP
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Submitted by Charleston-Jos… on Mon, 2006-01-30 11:02
I read Philip Jonker Reply #42 in the Main Thread Planning and Programming Training, with sub thread How Detailed Should a Programme be ...?
In my opinion, Philip summarize the essence of "PLANNER UMNO UNIVERSALE" The Universal Planner.
Not all planner will attain the essence of PLANNER UNMO UNIVERSALE. This is a quest for all specially to the young planners out there. For the young once, all is not yet lost.
The acid test for a Planner Unmo Universale revolve in a multi-national and multi-cultural environment.
I wanted to open a new thread "THE QUEST FOR PLANNER UNMO UNIVERSALE. Basically, the thread will share real life experience as planner with emphasis in the barriers to the attainment of PLANNER UNMO UNIVERSALE including How to overcome the barriers.
Cheers,
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Submitted by Philip Jonker on Tue, 2005-11-22 13:53
It is not me in the wine making website, but a distant relation. If you are are interested, send me your address, and I will organise you a bottle, it is very good wine, and fairly scarce.
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Submitted by Andy McLean-Reid on Tue, 2005-10-18 10:13
Fare play, it was an idea, and at least you have sparked some discussion. Setting up and maintaining a web site and especially a forum, is simple but not easy.
Why not have a try yourself? Let us know how you progress with it all, seriously. I for one would love a job that I do remotely and get well paid for (No scrap that, I for one would love a job doing very little and get paid for).
On the other hand, would the world stop if the PPlanet stopped. It is a fantastic resourse for us all. Commercialisation has a way of taking a little away ever day from "Good Resources", in my humble opinion.
And before you ask, yes I/We have a web site (without a chat forum). But we do take email & respond, it is free to register & simple to access. We don’t charge, so we don’t mind if people come and go at their own leisure.
Alldabest,
Darrell
ps. Have no idea at present on how better to improve this resource.
There are lots of discussion forums/sites available on the internet that offer free membership/participation. I know of several that are supported by different means:
by advertising: eng-tips.com, softwareprojects.org, pminsight.org.uk, projectsmart.co.uk
by a parent company/organization: allpm.com (IIL), pmicos.org (PMI)
by owners pocket: planningplanet.com, pmkb.com
Every web site on the internet has to pay for domain registration (a pittance) and server resources (bandwidth/storage). At some point, mature forums become expensive to run. I for one do not mind seeing advertising (unobtrusive and tastefully done) on a web site if it helps ensure that a good resource will remain available and free for use.
I really do think you have missed the point. The reason Planning Planet is so successful is because people want to be part of it. Thats why people volunteer to work on the site, to act as Moderators and keep the site functioning.
If Planning Planet were to commercialise, it might be necessary to charge a fee for membership, this would cause a lot of people to think twice about becoming members. One of PPs great attractions is that it is free.
In his post #31, Alex pointed out the differences between PP and certain commercial sites, structured along the lines you have suggested. Lots of advertisements, competitions and so forth and an inferior quality in the standard of the posts.
Please remember that the primary purpose of commercial organisations is to make money, while the primary purpose of Planning Planet is to help Project planning Professionals get better at what they do.
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Submitted by Charleston-Jos… on Sun, 2005-10-09 14:32
If you look back on the basis of my wild idea or dream regarding commercialization of PP, the only reason I gave is to have full time staff (with monthly salary of USD 5,000.00) instead of volunters.
Is it not reasonable to pay full time staff instead of volunters.
PP is growing and it needs to address its relevance to all members, relevance today, tommorow, ten years from now.
Do you think the present set-up will stand the test of time. There maybe none visible defects that needs to be fix at the present, but there could be latent structural defects with the present set-up.
The meaning of this thread is "Improving Planning Planet Website". It was PP founders wisdom to create this thread because of the nescesity to Improve thru changes for the best.
Any idea from you guys, then, post it. PP NEEDS YOU TO POST YOUR BRIGHT IDEAS.
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Submitted by Chris Oggham on Fri, 2005-10-07 05:35
I think we drifted from the main thread. The thread is about "improving planning planet website". Post 1 is about "best idea of the week ..." then the sidekick is about commercialization of PP.
This is what i notice in PP, jumping from one idea to another idea in threads. While this is a hallmark of vibrant forum and social discussion, it is preferable to focus on one subject at a time.
so.....
THE BEST IDEA OF THE WEEK ...
We need to agree on a criteria. I may suggest that the criteria on the best idea of the week is that idea that help improve the voting planner. In this way no one will question his or her choice since that is how the voting planner perceive that the idea help him or her.
I spend approx. 2 hrs per day browsing the PP site typing a message, look at forum postings. My point is the best reward that I find in PP is the knowledge base and I find my 2 hrs is well spent. By having reading and writing message, I learn new things everyday.
And what I like about PP is It does not have any Ad, Sponsors or any money value attach to the site. That make the site more .... "Genuine" to me.
I visit some of the commercial site where it is a very different environments, attract members, advertisement, competitions, luck draw ... and when you see some of its posting you will find the sprit is very different, and the quality of message as well. In here you will see some very long post, especially in the Claims area. Why PPs spend so much time helping each other? and What benefits we can get??
IMHO I think this is what makes Planning Planet differ from others.
Cheers
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Submitted by Edgar Ariete on Thu, 2005-10-06 16:15
It seems that the bars are affecting you too much. Thats not good in Planning. Sobriety is one of the essences of planning. And planning has only one direction, although it has a lot of blending to consider, it will only summarize to one objective...besides, I only knew one person who can do that (I think you also knew him).
By the way, what do you really want here? No Subject Specified...? And you wanted some changes...Why? Are you not happy with what you got right now? Well, thats instinct, but thats different from planning. Planning can only be effective if it is controlled...& do you know whos controlling the so-called Control?..."Decisiveness"...& who do you think can only do that? If you got some religion then, you got to believe...and do you think all of you here got the same belief?
Everything in this f...n wild world differs. Just like your fingers & the prints on it (just like projects)...Thats why planning is endless...unlike steel, theres always an end & a parallel...& what do you think is suppose to be parallel with planning?...Science?...
Well, its now time for some reflections...
have a good time...
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Submitted by Raja Izat Raja… on Wed, 2005-10-05 11:50
U also right but this is the best way to get more information and knowledge(from diffrent country, type of project etc) , by finding which post is much value and can be implement it can build our open mind with creativity ideas. Free is good but is it very valuable to the members, is the post thread can be use? or just a trash.
Ps. Not for arguing..just for discusion thread... Sorry i dont know to fight back in english... so better i tell the truth. Ha Ha ...Still learnng from U guys to Learn the communication skill.
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Submitted by Chris Oggham on Wed, 2005-10-05 10:50
First of all, a question. Do you thoroughly read the replies that people make to your posts? I suspect not, because if you did you would not accuse me of trying to shoot down your idea. Im not doing that, what Im trying to do is get you to tell us why your idea should be adopted. Even with your latest post you havent done this, all you do is try to dismiss any point of view that does not agree with your own. This really isnt acceptable.
If you can give the reasons why your idea should be adopted, then please do so. As you stated were all busy making a living to support our families, so take your own advice and focus, stop the platitudes and trite remarks, make your case and stop wasting resource.
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Submitted by Charleston-Jos… on Wed, 2005-10-05 07:29
Please focus on the meaning as stated in the English language and you will be able to contribute bright idea on how to "Improve Planning Planet Website".
There is no point in shooting down ideas for free when you can not offer alternatives ideas that shall also be free. Your approach will not work.
This is reactive planning.
You have to understand that we are all busy making a living for our family. To expound an idea in one go is not practical.
To instill a climate of negativism will lead us to nowhere.
This is free idea, just relax, be calm and let your imagination run wild. Whatever idea that comes your mind, post it in PP, in this particular thread. I believe you will come up with bright idea on how to IMPROVE PLANING PLANNET, maybe the brightest.
We in PP can only hope it will be for free.
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Submitted by Chris Oggham on Wed, 2005-10-05 05:06
Youve really missed the point, Im afraid. Of course in order to improve things have to change, but not all change means improvement. The changes you have suggested would not, I believe, improve Planning Planet as, instead of trying to help each other, members would be concentrating on securing rewards.
You say my post #21 has no basis; sorry Charlie, but when someone disagrees with you you cant just dismiss them out of hand. Which part of post #21 has no basis and why? Its by the rational exchange of ideas that change for improvement is achieved. Silly admonitions to "Please take note of the main thread" do not contribute anything useful, nor will repeating trite generalisations.
You have an idea for improving Planning Planet. OK, now justify why that idea should be adopted, counter differing points of view, show the benefits that would accrue. Show also how any dis-benefits could be mitigated. Until you can do that with sound facts and reasoned arguments you wont get anywhere.
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Submitted by Charleston-Jos… on Tue, 2005-10-04 11:13
Please allow me to share my humble view (for FREE)with regards to Planning as a part of, or as a way of life.
Planning might be classified into three (3) categories as follows:
1. Engineering Planning - This is what we may call formal planning as it needs some technical expertise & some kind of sophistication. This is where we use the so-called Planning software (whatever it is).
2. Practical Planning - Experience might be the foundation of this category, but this is a fundamental part of the above (1) & our daily activities as a living component of this planet.
3. Family Planning - This one is self explanatory, but for those who aimed to make the 1st category as his/her bread & butter, I suggest you start to learn from this 3rd one. This is the basic.
cheers...
p.s. the above was a product of a thorough examination of the bars (not blinded by science)...
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Submitted by Chris Oggham on Mon, 2005-10-03 11:33
Youre quite right when you say that we have to accept change, but we should not necessarily change something just because we can. There have to be sound reasons for change, and even then sometimes change must be deferred or even refused if there are dis-benefits generated by it.
You ask is there anything free - yes, Planning Planet.
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Submitted by Raja Izat Raja… on Mon, 2005-10-03 05:54
the idea is we have to accept changes, Everything in this world "change". we dont have to wait until broke, then we going to do somthing. Even yahoo website, software also they always upgrade with remarkable ideas to go parallel with the age. Just that... on other part to upgade and changes they also needs some money. Just think about that...... Is there anything for FREE?
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Submitted by Chris Oggham on Mon, 2005-10-03 04:19
Ideas and dreams are fine, but I dont understand why you want to change the whole basis of Planning Planet. When it was set up, the whole idea of PP was to provide a forum where Project Planners could ask questions, discuss problems and share their knowledge and experience for free.
If PP was to commercialise, then it would have to compete against the thousands of established organisations who already offer Project Planning consultancy and advice. Beacause it was not set up initially on a commercial basis, PP would be at a distinct disadvantage, and the chances are it would fail within six to twelve months, leaving Project Planners worldwide without a valuable resource.
Youre obviously a switched-on guy, so if you think a forum like PP could be marketable and commercially viable, why not set one up yourself? Im sure that there are PP members who would be more than happy to help you get started.
As for Planning Planet itself, I think perhaps you should consider two things:
1) The words of Bert Lance - "If it aint broke, dont fix it."
2) The fact that Planning Planet aint broke.
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Submitted by Charleston-Jos… on Sun, 2005-10-02 01:32
We will just accept whatever happen to our idea for free.
As we all aware PP is run by volunteers, These volunter also have work for their family to live.
Why can’t we make PP commercially viable. How about a new thread on how to make PP commercially viable. This is only sharing idea. The bottomline is "how PP can afford to hire full time people with monthly salary of 5000 USD per month. What do you think.
Just an idea or a dream, IMHO.
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Submitted by Raja Izat Raja… on Sat, 2005-10-01 13:33
Your really a planner. You did mention "line of balance", wow
It is wow because i did not think of it.
One extreme is to eliminate a vote to the effect " THE BEST IDEA OF THE WEEK IS THE THREAD I POSTED blah blah blah" . This will invite 11,000 ++ boo, boo from PP.
Generally, as engineers we did experience being a sportsman. So it is only natural for us to compete. Hopefully competition will bring out the best ever, only In My Humbe Opinion, (IMHO).
PP miss you Philip, including your threads.
Cheers,
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Submitted by Raja Izat Raja… on Tue, 2005-09-27 01:58
nice to hear from you, where have u been... Seemslike u very busy with your wine plant....ha ha. Actually , coincidence see your name in wine making website. Is it true You?
Hi Guys,
Its never better to find, where we are after few years involved in project, thats why on my post thread i focus on how to find out capability and expertise, is achieve target or not?. Any Idea.....
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Clive,
I completely agree with you. If Charlie wants to decide on what is acceptable or not acceptable on a forum, all he has to do is set up his own, then he can lay down whatever standards he wants, but not on Planning Planet.
Until he actually said what was troubling him, I really did have no idea what he was talking about. Gwen`s humorous off-the-cuff remark a "green joke"? What rubbish! Perhaps Charlie should remember the old saying: "To the pure all things are pure." If Charlie sees anything sexual or dirty in Gwen`s remark it says rather more about his mind than Gwen`s remark.
I really think Charlie sees himself as "Mr Planning Planet" and wants to coerce everyone into adopting his own peculiar viewpoint. Youd think as a planner he would know that in project work you dont adopt a course of action which is never going to work.
Regards
Chris Oggham
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Hi Gordon,
The "GREEN JOKES" im refering is the post by GWEN BLAIR.
Do you have a problem with that?
On behalf of PP, it is a problem.
This is not a pornographic site. Any connotation of sexuality should not be entertain or taboo.
But then this is PP, only the moderator can police.
On the other hand, on behalf of the ladies out their that feel insulted on those post, let me assure that it is not the goal of PP to expose sexuality in these forum.
If only Gwen will look at the left hand corner of Planning Planet, the initiator of PP use that mascot because the boy is so innocene. He is only interested in "NETWORKING PLANNING, PROGRAMMING & CONTROLS PROFESSIONAL AROUND THE WORLD".
I always picture that boy to be the new generation of planner: planning mindset and computer suavy.
Cheers,
Charlie
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... a gooseberry in a lift.
..Ill get me coat....
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Charlie,
Im guessing that post 68 was directed partially at me, but I only know 1 "Green Joke"....
Whats green, hairy, and goes up and down?....
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Hi Charlie,
I supposed to bring you flowers but youre not sick I guess.
BTW, whats next when youre in love with planning?
Are you getting married Charlie?
cheers,
edgar
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Hi Vishwas,
Charlie is absolutely correct, he did start that thread on 27th November 2005. To date, no-one else has participated, possibly because they didn’t think it was a good idea, didn’t find it relevant or amusing or maybe something else. So I don’t know where Charlie is finding these impertinent and "green" jokes.
I can’t see what American English has got to do with it, or any other language for that matter, unless Charlie objects to English being the working language of Planning Planet. If that is the case Charlie could always set up his own forum using whatever language he liked, mind you it would probably get the same amount of participation in that as in the thread he set up.
Regards
Chris Oggham
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Hello Vishwas,
I started a thread "PLANNING PLANET ANNECDOTE"
I just dont know why they started posting impertinent and "Green Jokes".
Maybe they got lost and dont understand the english language. Too bad, some of these post comes from native english speaker.
Maybe they should consider or it is high time for them to start understanding the "AMERICAN ENGLISH".
But then they feel it an insult to even dare to start understanding the American English considering that US of America was there former colony.
How about if these native english speaking lost soul started learning HINDI. What do you think?
These could be the best idea of the week in the sense that irrelevant post will start to disappear in PP thread.
Cheers
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How about having a seperate heading for posting Planning Jokes?? (Or, do you think our forum discussions have already enough of them??)
Vishwas
p.s. - Gwen, great LEAP from the STOVE to SITE!!
Happy Planning, anywaz!!
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Plethora of Planners!
To to original thread, best idea of the week, month, year, Lifespan.
Mine has to be leaving a staff job to go contracting. Its not for everyone mind you. Until I made that move, job security/stay at home was of prime importance.
Then some God damned frog Contractor kissed me and when I awoke I had been air press ganged to site.
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Charlie
Where are you
are you with major Tom
Oscar
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lol @ Gwen
Bernard Ertl
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Oscar,
Glad you read that before it was modified by deleter or should that be deleted by the modifier.
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Gwen
Im blushing all over
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Clive,
Quite an interesting site, but then again the majority of people do try to develop their capacities and improve their knowledge. I`ve frequently noted in posts by you and Philip and many others as well references to recent learning experiences.
I think that this is possibly what is meant by Uomo Universale, someone who tries to learn from every experience in their life; someone capable of exploring new vistas instead of closing their mind to any opinion but their own.
As far as the term "Renaissance Man" not applying to women. If we trace the meaning of the word "Man" back a bit further, it turns out to be not gender specific. Man, originally, just meant person, so both male and female can be "Renaissance Man".
Regards
Chris Oggham
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Clive,
All day rates being equal, you (figuratively speaking of course) would have no problem dragging me back to the stove!
A welcome break.
Know why Lady planners have the edge on others?
We are used to juggling more than two balls at a time.
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Again,
Hello To All,
It is now 01 February 2006, 11:00 AM, and so
The month of January 2006 past
And I recommend the best idea of the Month: January 2006 is Mr. Philip Jonker reply # 42.
My wholehearted congratulation to Philip. May you continue to share the essence of planning unselfishly that comes deep in your heart as we move on to "IMPROVE PLANNING PLANET".
Cheers to all, PP
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Hello to All,
I read Philip Jonker Reply #42 in the Main Thread Planning and Programming Training, with sub thread How Detailed Should a Programme be ...?
In my opinion, Philip summarize the essence of "PLANNER UMNO UNIVERSALE" The Universal Planner.
Not all planner will attain the essence of PLANNER UNMO UNIVERSALE. This is a quest for all specially to the young planners out there. For the young once, all is not yet lost.
The acid test for a Planner Unmo Universale revolve in a multi-national and multi-cultural environment.
I wanted to open a new thread "THE QUEST FOR PLANNER UNMO UNIVERSALE. Basically, the thread will share real life experience as planner with emphasis in the barriers to the attainment of PLANNER UNMO UNIVERSALE including How to overcome the barriers.
Cheers,
Charlie
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Hi Andy,
This is no joke, I think you should have ID 007, and become the PP website expert on shortcuts.
Regards
Philip
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Hi Raja,
It is not me in the wine making website, but a distant relation. If you are are interested, send me your address, and I will organise you a bottle, it is very good wine, and fairly scarce.
Regards
Philip
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Honest there are dozens of them:
ctrl+shift+K
Gives you mini capital letters.
Ill get me coat.............
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Andy
What colour is your anorak
Surely u can remember these common key strokes do you really look at the mouse mat
??????
Shocked
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Not sure if this is the right place to post this but.................
If you are in the UK, ComputerActive magazine is giving away a free mousemat which has all the MS shortcuts listed, such as ctrl+c for copy etc.
13th - 26th October edition, only £1.40.
Just thought Id share as I find it kinda cool.
PS: Yes - I am a nerd, I like Star Trek and everything :-)
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Charleston
Fare play, it was an idea, and at least you have sparked some discussion. Setting up and maintaining a web site and especially a forum, is simple but not easy.
Why not have a try yourself? Let us know how you progress with it all, seriously. I for one would love a job that I do remotely and get well paid for (No scrap that, I for one would love a job doing very little and get paid for).
On the other hand, would the world stop if the PPlanet stopped. It is a fantastic resourse for us all. Commercialisation has a way of taking a little away ever day from "Good Resources", in my humble opinion.
And before you ask, yes I/We have a web site (without a chat forum). But we do take email & respond, it is free to register & simple to access. We don’t charge, so we don’t mind if people come and go at their own leisure.
Alldabest,
Darrell
ps. Have no idea at present on how better to improve this resource.
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Dear Gary
Under the planning forum rules im not allowed to use real names am I ????
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Oscar, you crack me up, but I think you may mean Victor Meldrew.
Good one.
Gary
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Chris
Charlie missing the point
I DONT BElIEVE IT
WALTER MELDREW
AKA Oscar
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Hello to All,
For the record, i did not hint of membership fee.
Im out the moment PP will start charging membership fee.
I like PP because its free and also, a lot of other reason that may be revealed someday.
There must be a solution on how PP can have a full time staff.
Cheers,
Charlie
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There are lots of discussion forums/sites available on the internet that offer free membership/participation. I know of several that are supported by different means:
Every web site on the internet has to pay for domain registration (a pittance) and server resources (bandwidth/storage). At some point, mature forums become expensive to run. I for one do not mind seeing advertising (unobtrusive and tastefully done) on a web site if it helps ensure that a good resource will remain available and free for use.
Stacy
Participate in the Project Management Knowledge Base!
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Hi all,
Actually i like with this post thread and I agreed with Charles post, but its seems the topic already divert from origin topic.
I would like suggest to PP to make a tile/split form which we can see the question and answer at the same time.
Example.
I want to answer for post#37 and i have to look at Post#7 for the question, its seems difficult to answer and to look another page.
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Hmmm...
Im not sure if Ill be joining PP if here will be a membership fee.
Well, maybe... if my company will sponsor me. :-)
(How about you, guys?)
Cheers,
Sen
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21 years 5 monthsRE: No Subject Specified
Charlie,
I really do think you have missed the point. The reason Planning Planet is so successful is because people want to be part of it. Thats why people volunteer to work on the site, to act as Moderators and keep the site functioning.
If Planning Planet were to commercialise, it might be necessary to charge a fee for membership, this would cause a lot of people to think twice about becoming members. One of PPs great attractions is that it is free.
In his post #31, Alex pointed out the differences between PP and certain commercial sites, structured along the lines you have suggested. Lots of advertisements, competitions and so forth and an inferior quality in the standard of the posts.
Please remember that the primary purpose of commercial organisations is to make money, while the primary purpose of Planning Planet is to help Project planning Professionals get better at what they do.
Chris Oggham
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20 years 3 monthsRE: No Subject Specified
Hello to Alex and Chris,
If you look back on the basis of my wild idea or dream regarding commercialization of PP, the only reason I gave is to have full time staff (with monthly salary of USD 5,000.00) instead of volunters.
Is it not reasonable to pay full time staff instead of volunters.
PP is growing and it needs to address its relevance to all members, relevance today, tommorow, ten years from now.
Do you think the present set-up will stand the test of time. There maybe none visible defects that needs to be fix at the present, but there could be latent structural defects with the present set-up.
The meaning of this thread is "Improving Planning Planet Website". It was PP founders wisdom to create this thread because of the nescesity to Improve thru changes for the best.
Any idea from you guys, then, post it. PP NEEDS YOU TO POST YOUR BRIGHT IDEAS.
Cheers,
Charlie
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21 years 5 monthsRE: No Subject Specified
Alex,
You summed it up brilliantly and I completely agree with you.
Chris Oggham
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20 years 3 monthsRE: No Subject Specified
Hello to all,
I think we drifted from the main thread. The thread is about "improving planning planet website". Post 1 is about "best idea of the week ..." then the sidekick is about commercialization of PP.
This is what i notice in PP, jumping from one idea to another idea in threads. While this is a hallmark of vibrant forum and social discussion, it is preferable to focus on one subject at a time.
so.....
THE BEST IDEA OF THE WEEK ...
We need to agree on a criteria. I may suggest that the criteria on the best idea of the week is that idea that help improve the voting planner. In this way no one will question his or her choice since that is how the voting planner perceive that the idea help him or her.
Cheers,
charlie
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22 years 8 monthsRE: No Subject Specified
Hi PPs
I like to share my views as well.
I spend approx. 2 hrs per day browsing the PP site typing a message, look at forum postings. My point is the best reward that I find in PP is the knowledge base and I find my 2 hrs is well spent. By having reading and writing message, I learn new things everyday.
And what I like about PP is It does not have any Ad, Sponsors or any money value attach to the site. That make the site more .... "Genuine" to me.
I visit some of the commercial site where it is a very different environments, attract members, advertisement, competitions, luck draw ... and when you see some of its posting you will find the sprit is very different, and the quality of message as well. In here you will see some very long post, especially in the Claims area. Why PPs spend so much time helping each other? and What benefits we can get??
IMHO I think this is what makes Planning Planet differ from others.
Cheers
Alex
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20 years 3 monthsRE: No Subject Specified
Hi Guys,
It seems that the bars are affecting you too much. Thats not good in Planning. Sobriety is one of the essences of planning. And planning has only one direction, although it has a lot of blending to consider, it will only summarize to one objective...besides, I only knew one person who can do that (I think you also knew him).
By the way, what do you really want here? No Subject Specified...? And you wanted some changes...Why? Are you not happy with what you got right now? Well, thats instinct, but thats different from planning. Planning can only be effective if it is controlled...& do you know whos controlling the so-called Control?..."Decisiveness"...& who do you think can only do that? If you got some religion then, you got to believe...and do you think all of you here got the same belief?
Everything in this f...n wild world differs. Just like your fingers & the prints on it (just like projects)...Thats why planning is endless...unlike steel, theres always an end & a parallel...& what do you think is suppose to be parallel with planning?...Science?...
Well, its now time for some reflections...
have a good time...
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20 years 5 monthsRE: No Subject Specified
Hi Chris,
U also right but this is the best way to get more information and knowledge(from diffrent country, type of project etc) , by finding which post is much value and can be implement it can build our open mind with creativity ideas. Free is good but is it very valuable to the members, is the post thread can be use? or just a trash.
Ps. Not for arguing..just for discusion thread... Sorry i dont know to fight back in english... so better i tell the truth. Ha Ha ...Still learnng from U guys to Learn the communication skill.
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21 years 5 monthsRE: No Subject Specified
Hi Charlie,
First of all, a question. Do you thoroughly read the replies that people make to your posts? I suspect not, because if you did you would not accuse me of trying to shoot down your idea. Im not doing that, what Im trying to do is get you to tell us why your idea should be adopted. Even with your latest post you havent done this, all you do is try to dismiss any point of view that does not agree with your own. This really isnt acceptable.
If you can give the reasons why your idea should be adopted, then please do so. As you stated were all busy making a living to support our families, so take your own advice and focus, stop the platitudes and trite remarks, make your case and stop wasting resource.
Chris Oggham
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20 years 3 monthsRE: No Subject Specified
Hello Chris,
Please focus on the meaning as stated in the English language and you will be able to contribute bright idea on how to "Improve Planning Planet Website".
There is no point in shooting down ideas for free when you can not offer alternatives ideas that shall also be free. Your approach will not work.
This is reactive planning.
You have to understand that we are all busy making a living for our family. To expound an idea in one go is not practical.
To instill a climate of negativism will lead us to nowhere.
This is free idea, just relax, be calm and let your imagination run wild. Whatever idea that comes your mind, post it in PP, in this particular thread. I believe you will come up with bright idea on how to IMPROVE PLANING PLANNET, maybe the brightest.
We in PP can only hope it will be for free.
Regards,
Charlie
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21 years 5 monthsRE: No Subject Specified
Hi Charlie,
Youve really missed the point, Im afraid. Of course in order to improve things have to change, but not all change means improvement. The changes you have suggested would not, I believe, improve Planning Planet as, instead of trying to help each other, members would be concentrating on securing rewards.
You say my post #21 has no basis; sorry Charlie, but when someone disagrees with you you cant just dismiss them out of hand. Which part of post #21 has no basis and why? Its by the rational exchange of ideas that change for improvement is achieved. Silly admonitions to "Please take note of the main thread" do not contribute anything useful, nor will repeating trite generalisations.
You have an idea for improving Planning Planet. OK, now justify why that idea should be adopted, counter differing points of view, show the benefits that would accrue. Show also how any dis-benefits could be mitigated. Until you can do that with sound facts and reasoned arguments you wont get anywhere.
Chris Oggham
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20 years 3 monthsRE: No Subject Specified
Hello Chris,
Refer to your Post # 21.
Please take note of the main thread "IMPROVING PLANNING PLANET WEBSITE"
Your idea as per post #21 has no basis since to improve is to change. Improving Planning Planet Website means Planning Planet will change.
The worst will happen in the event Planning Planet will maintain the status quo. To attain improvement is to change for the best.
Cheers,
Charlie
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20 years 3 monthsRE: No Subject Specified
Dear Planners,
Please allow me to share my humble view (for FREE)with regards to Planning as a part of, or as a way of life.
Planning might be classified into three (3) categories as follows:
1. Engineering Planning - This is what we may call formal planning as it needs some technical expertise & some kind of sophistication. This is where we use the so-called Planning software (whatever it is).
2. Practical Planning - Experience might be the foundation of this category, but this is a fundamental part of the above (1) & our daily activities as a living component of this planet.
3. Family Planning - This one is self explanatory, but for those who aimed to make the 1st category as his/her bread & butter, I suggest you start to learn from this 3rd one. This is the basic.
cheers...
p.s. the above was a product of a thorough examination of the bars (not blinded by science)...
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21 years 5 monthsRE: No Subject Specified
Hi Raja,
Youre quite right when you say that we have to accept change, but we should not necessarily change something just because we can. There have to be sound reasons for change, and even then sometimes change must be deferred or even refused if there are dis-benefits generated by it.
You ask is there anything free - yes, Planning Planet.
Chris Oggham
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20 years 5 monthsRE: No Subject Specified
Hi Chris,
the idea is we have to accept changes, Everything in this world "change". we dont have to wait until broke, then we going to do somthing. Even yahoo website, software also they always upgrade with remarkable ideas to go parallel with the age. Just that... on other part to upgade and changes they also needs some money. Just think about that...... Is there anything for FREE?
Member for
21 years 5 monthsRE: No Subject Specified
Hi Charlie,
Ideas and dreams are fine, but I dont understand why you want to change the whole basis of Planning Planet. When it was set up, the whole idea of PP was to provide a forum where Project Planners could ask questions, discuss problems and share their knowledge and experience for free.
If PP was to commercialise, then it would have to compete against the thousands of established organisations who already offer Project Planning consultancy and advice. Beacause it was not set up initially on a commercial basis, PP would be at a distinct disadvantage, and the chances are it would fail within six to twelve months, leaving Project Planners worldwide without a valuable resource.
Youre obviously a switched-on guy, so if you think a forum like PP could be marketable and commercially viable, why not set one up yourself? Im sure that there are PP members who would be more than happy to help you get started.
As for Planning Planet itself, I think perhaps you should consider two things:
1) The words of Bert Lance - "If it aint broke, dont fix it."
2) The fact that Planning Planet aint broke.
Chris Oggham
Member for
20 years 3 monthsRE: Why can’t we make PP commercially viable
Hi Raja,
We will just accept whatever happen to our idea for free.
As we all aware PP is run by volunteers, These volunter also have work for their family to live.
Why can’t we make PP commercially viable. How about a new thread on how to make PP commercially viable. This is only sharing idea. The bottomline is "how PP can afford to hire full time people with monthly salary of 5000 USD per month. What do you think.
Just an idea or a dream, IMHO.
Charlie
Member for
20 years 5 monthsRE: No Subject Specified
Any helping hand to put subject...please
Hi charles,
no response from PP admin to gave a reply...its seems wasted selling idea for free...
Member for
20 years 3 monthsRE: No Subject Specified
Hello,
AND THE BEST IDEA OF THE WEEK ...
It is still very hard to vote because no rules extablish.
for example what constitue a week.
In this part of the world the week start on Saturday to Thursday while in other parts of the world the week start on Monday to Sunday.
A little compromise is good for PP.
Cheers,
Charlie
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20 years 3 monthsRE: No Subject Specified
Hi Philip,
Your really a planner. You did mention "line of balance", wow
It is wow because i did not think of it.
One extreme is to eliminate a vote to the effect " THE BEST IDEA OF THE WEEK IS THE THREAD I POSTED blah blah blah" . This will invite 11,000 ++ boo, boo from PP.
Generally, as engineers we did experience being a sportsman. So it is only natural for us to compete. Hopefully competition will bring out the best ever, only In My Humbe Opinion, (IMHO).
PP miss you Philip, including your threads.
Cheers,
Charlie
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20 years 5 monthsRE: No Subject Specified
Hi Philip,
nice to hear from you, where have u been... Seemslike u very busy with your wine plant....ha ha. Actually , coincidence see your name in wine making website. Is it true You?
Hi Guys,
Its never better to find, where we are after few years involved in project, thats why on my post thread i focus on how to find out capability and expertise, is achieve target or not?. Any Idea.....