If you - and Hemanth - believe that in Germany Excel is standard for planning, thats your problem. If you ask for another H. thats absolutely not ok.
Dieter
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Submitted by Charleston-Jos… on Wed, 2008-05-21 04:36
Maybe they need another HITLER to do the tricks to regain their honor and rightful place as European power, not only ecnomic but also militarily.
If ever this will happen again, the English should watch out, you know the previous century, tow world wars intigated by the Germans against the whole of Europe.
Hi Hi
I think this will not happen. The planning to make it a reality is unrealistic
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Submitted by Dieter Wambach on Tue, 2008-05-20 15:32
Hemanth, the whole idea of a project is to bring it on time and on budget. The plan/programme is a tool to help you achieve this. It will not bring it on time or on budget if you sit back and let time role on. You have to actively pursue and complete the activities within the programme.
Is the programme a contractual requirement?
Why did the client side line the programmes?
I don’t understand why the programme was not approved maybe
1. The programme was not correct and it was not acceptable?
2. There are no cost constraints for the project?
3. There is no time constraint in completing the project?
4. The contract conditions?
5. Your managers don’t know what they are doing?
There are 2 types of planner.
1. Somebody who’s the technical guy who is a software guru
2. Somebody who actively pursues and delivers the project on time.
Which one is correct?
Answer: Not 1 or 2 but a combination of both. That’s what makes a good Planner!
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Submitted by Hemanth Kumar on Sun, 2008-05-18 08:59
I have been building things for 45 years - starting with digging trenches and putting up walls. The best qualification I own is GCE Carpentry - not much CPD to keep that one.
For the last 15 years I have been a self employed claims consultant staring with the money.
I soon realised that I needed to get a grip on the time before I could work out the money.
So I bought the software (PowerProject) and started to do EOT from scratch.
After a while I called myself a delay analyst and put my rates up - I have not looked back.
So that is what I mean when i say I am a builder who can do the software.
Over the years the only buildings that I have not got to grips with are Nuclear - offshore - petrochem.
In an interview with a shipbuilder who had a delay problem I said my experience with ships was the same as a long straight building that floats. I wasnt hired.
Best regards
Mike T.
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Submitted by Terry Barber on Thu, 2008-05-15 12:46
The example is a general posting of good things to carry out and was not intended to represent a certain EOT method. I agree with you on the asbuilt method and prefer this method myself as you are dealing with actuals and not theoretical.
You mention you’re a builder who can “do” the software? Your “Member Skills” leads me to believe different, what do you mean by your comment?
The example analysis you have described is known as the "Impacted as Planned" method which is the weakest and least respected of the four recognised approaches.
This is because it is completely theoretical and has no relation to what actually happened on site.
You must try to take account of the "As Built" situation.
Another factor is concurrent delays which generated a lively debate in this forum recently.
By the way I am not a planner - I am a builder who can do the software.
Best regards
Mike Testro
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Submitted by Terry Barber on Thu, 2008-05-15 08:04
Hemanth, you have not stated if the 1 page programme is for a large or small project. If large then I think you need to read the below comments.
The programme needs to reflect what you are building and requires being in sufficient detail to measure the progress and any delays that may happen. A risk assessment should be undertaken on the project and that will highlight any missings within the programme so being able to assess any EOT should something do wrong. If you apply for an EOT and it is a detailed claim and the programme does not contain the details then the programme will be subject to interpretation by both sides and the EOT may fail at the first hurdle.
The whole idea behind producing a robust programme is that it contains the scope of works and any contractual items as required by the client as this is what he wants. From the contractor’s side he will want a programme that if he is delayed then the programme will show any EOT. This means not having 3 million days float on activity’s if you get my meaning.
Forensic planning/delay analysis is not for the fainted hearted as it is not only looking at a bit of software but how the delay occurred and contractual law to name a few.
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Submitted by Hemanth Kumar on Thu, 2008-05-15 06:36
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Hi Dieter
I like germany , and easily provocatable germans
Just google , or go to PEO site to see who uses what software
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Charly
If you - and Hemanth - believe that in Germany Excel is standard for planning, thats your problem. If you ask for another H. thats absolutely not ok.
Dieter
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dieter
Im just trying to be agent provocateur
maybe some nationalistic germans will be encourage to join planning planet and will enrich our dicussion here.
at least here in PP, no physical violence will ever happen not what we are hearing in the news, you know those
it will also channel distructive energy into something
and of course, we will know what they are really planning into
if this will not help, then we will try another way
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:-)
If you had kept quiet, you would have remained a philosopher.
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Charly
May be youll consider first, then write or keep quiet.
Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses.
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GERMANY DOING EXCEL PLANNING,
I cant believe the Germans
They seems to be backward now
Maybe they need another HITLER to do the tricks to regain their honor and rightful place as European power, not only ecnomic but also militarily.
If ever this will happen again, the English should watch out, you know the previous century, tow world wars intigated by the Germans against the whole of Europe.
Hi Hi
I think this will not happen. The planning to make it a reality is unrealistic
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But a few Europeans already know how to spell planning.
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Hi terry
Iam not in to who is planner or who is not discussion
as i have been paid generously for last 10 years for some sort of planning .
I ve had chance to see plans of several Big companies in germany who are still at Excel plans
Which reterates that europe is still in premature stage in profeessional planning
I am working around and nearing to my goal of making a solid EOT documention to proceed with
Thanks
in my opinion a planner should know everything about his project
and any software can be mastered in one month max if you have some grey matter
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18 years 3 monthsRE: Extensions of Time
Hemanth, the whole idea of a project is to bring it on time and on budget. The plan/programme is a tool to help you achieve this. It will not bring it on time or on budget if you sit back and let time role on. You have to actively pursue and complete the activities within the programme.
Is the programme a contractual requirement?
Why did the client side line the programmes?
I don’t understand why the programme was not approved maybe
1. The programme was not correct and it was not acceptable?
2. There are no cost constraints for the project?
3. There is no time constraint in completing the project?
4. The contract conditions?
5. Your managers don’t know what they are doing?
There are 2 types of planner.
1. Somebody who’s the technical guy who is a software guru
2. Somebody who actively pursues and delivers the project on time.
Which one is correct?
Answer: Not 1 or 2 but a combination of both. That’s what makes a good Planner!
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23 yearsRE: Extensions of Time
Hi terry
You are terrifying me
The one page program was for 70m yacht interiors project
the program was done by shipyard
all of the susequented submitted programs were sidelined by the client
and we my previous managers were not concerened about getting it approved,
normally my project plans are 45 pages A3
and i dont think i am sort of faint herted
thank you mike , i think now You are great
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19 years 10 monthsRE: Extensions of Time
Hi Terry
I have been building things for 45 years - starting with digging trenches and putting up walls. The best qualification I own is GCE Carpentry - not much CPD to keep that one.
For the last 15 years I have been a self employed claims consultant staring with the money.
I soon realised that I needed to get a grip on the time before I could work out the money.
So I bought the software (PowerProject) and started to do EOT from scratch.
After a while I called myself a delay analyst and put my rates up - I have not looked back.
So that is what I mean when i say I am a builder who can do the software.
Over the years the only buildings that I have not got to grips with are Nuclear - offshore - petrochem.
In an interview with a shipbuilder who had a delay problem I said my experience with ships was the same as a long straight building that floats. I wasnt hired.
Best regards
Mike T.
Member for
18 years 3 monthsRE: Extensions of Time
The example is a general posting of good things to carry out and was not intended to represent a certain EOT method. I agree with you on the asbuilt method and prefer this method myself as you are dealing with actuals and not theoretical.
You mention you’re a builder who can “do” the software? Your “Member Skills” leads me to believe different, what do you mean by your comment?
Member for
19 years 10 monthsRE: Extensions of Time
Hi Terry
The example analysis you have described is known as the "Impacted as Planned" method which is the weakest and least respected of the four recognised approaches.
This is because it is completely theoretical and has no relation to what actually happened on site.
You must try to take account of the "As Built" situation.
Another factor is concurrent delays which generated a lively debate in this forum recently.
By the way I am not a planner - I am a builder who can do the software.
Best regards
Mike Testro
Member for
18 years 3 monthsRE: Extensions of Time
Hemanth, you have not stated if the 1 page programme is for a large or small project. If large then I think you need to read the below comments.
The programme needs to reflect what you are building and requires being in sufficient detail to measure the progress and any delays that may happen. A risk assessment should be undertaken on the project and that will highlight any missings within the programme so being able to assess any EOT should something do wrong. If you apply for an EOT and it is a detailed claim and the programme does not contain the details then the programme will be subject to interpretation by both sides and the EOT may fail at the first hurdle.
The whole idea behind producing a robust programme is that it contains the scope of works and any contractual items as required by the client as this is what he wants. From the contractor’s side he will want a programme that if he is delayed then the programme will show any EOT. This means not having 3 million days float on activity’s if you get my meaning.
Forensic planning/delay analysis is not for the fainted hearted as it is not only looking at a bit of software but how the delay occurred and contractual law to name a few.
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23 yearsRE: Extensions of Time
Hi Terry
Your are Great
Iam a planner Master is P3/MSP slave to P5
currently i am in the process of making a EOT claim
i am dealing with a BIG German client for them PRIMAVERA
is greek , we have an one page MS project plan from them as contract plan
i was not in my company during contract agreement stage
do you have similar experiance
lately i devoloped a flair for Forensic planning, delay analysis etc
can we share our expertises
this is my mail ID
hemanth.vineyard@gmail.com