I absolutely agree that having a degree in Management or PM is only the beginning of a successful career in this field. Having come from medicine into this only fairly recently, I know all too well how difficult it is. Ah, if only field experience could be obtained through sleep learning or other such methods!
In my organization, many PMs start as Project Controllers...there are several levels of this function. From there, you can progress into Business Management, Project Control Management, or Project Management. Otherwise, they come in on the Engineering side in some function, perhaps as Task Order Managers or Analysts, then progress from that side. Although its not "required" to be a subject matter expert to become a PM, it sure helps...or at the very least, working for the same business unit for a prolonged period, so you are fully grounded in the technical aspects of the business.
As for me, Im just about to start my Ph.D. in Management...I just dont enjoy Construction enough to try to become a PM here. Im looking forward to teaching.
Hope thats some help to you!
Regards,
Christine
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Submitted by Cyril Armentia on Tue, 2004-11-23 05:07
For me, the mininum entry levels for the field of project management are Draftsman, Site Engineer or Estimator. This will give the fresh graduates a feel of the world in actual project implementation against what they have learned in school. The graduates will see the actual application on the work on how long a certain activity is executed, how many and what type of workers and equipment involve.
Planning is not an easy task. This needs an actual experience on the site, an experience on the engineering scope plus advices from experienced site staff for those activities that was not in-line with your experience. Courses, training and/or seminars will help to enhance someones planning skills and IT abilities.
These 3 entry levels is a stepping stone to jump into a Junior Planner and from here, its up to the individual to development himself to reach the top position in planning management.
There were cases that an individual who has graduated from a Management University becomes a Project Manager. If you family owns the company, you can directly appoint yourself as Project Manager or even higher position than that.
Regards,
Cyril
Singapore
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Submitted by Shahzad Munawar on Thu, 2004-11-18 03:59
Erik is rightly in saying that project management course is not the foundation to build up a career. Experience is the major factor in establishing the career so keep involve in Project management activities.
A person does not become a project manager after going on a project management course.
You only can become a project manager if you have mastered the discipline you have chosen.
You’ve got to come up through the ranks.
There is presently a greater demand for project management, because it suites the dynamic world we live in. Project management is a well established industry, so it is not like the IT boom we have had in the last 20 years. You can not go do an expensive course, walk into a job and earn tons of cash.
I would suggest that they keep on looking for oportunities to gain experience and better pay.
If want to quit project management after their first job, then it was maybe just a carreer mistake in the first place?
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Submitted by Hatem Mahmoud on Tue, 2004-11-09 09:17
I Agree With you ,but what i mean that the entry levels in in the field of project management for example(Junior scheduler or planner,Cost estimator ....)
thanks
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Submitted by Jaco Stadler on Tue, 2004-11-09 09:03
I have never seen a Project Manager straight out of college.
I am use to a person start work at a Junior level and work your way up. In our industry we start PM as Trainee Engineer. Then we will move them to Project Controls to learn about planning and cost / Then as a junior/assistant PM / and after that they will move to a PM position.
You know what you learn in a book is not necasarry the way things are done. So my advice is when you have graduated dont try to start at PM level get some good expariance in a junior level first. This will assist you to become a PM (Nothing worst than an PM that dont know what he is talking about)
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21 years 1 monthRE: Losing career for fresh graduates
Hello,
I absolutely agree that having a degree in Management or PM is only the beginning of a successful career in this field. Having come from medicine into this only fairly recently, I know all too well how difficult it is. Ah, if only field experience could be obtained through sleep learning or other such methods!
In my organization, many PMs start as Project Controllers...there are several levels of this function. From there, you can progress into Business Management, Project Control Management, or Project Management. Otherwise, they come in on the Engineering side in some function, perhaps as Task Order Managers or Analysts, then progress from that side. Although its not "required" to be a subject matter expert to become a PM, it sure helps...or at the very least, working for the same business unit for a prolonged period, so you are fully grounded in the technical aspects of the business.
As for me, Im just about to start my Ph.D. in Management...I just dont enjoy Construction enough to try to become a PM here. Im looking forward to teaching.
Hope thats some help to you!
Regards,
Christine
As for m
Member for
22 years 8 monthsRE: Losing career for fresh graduates
Hi Hatem,
For me, the mininum entry levels for the field of project management are Draftsman, Site Engineer or Estimator. This will give the fresh graduates a feel of the world in actual project implementation against what they have learned in school. The graduates will see the actual application on the work on how long a certain activity is executed, how many and what type of workers and equipment involve.
Planning is not an easy task. This needs an actual experience on the site, an experience on the engineering scope plus advices from experienced site staff for those activities that was not in-line with your experience. Courses, training and/or seminars will help to enhance someones planning skills and IT abilities.
These 3 entry levels is a stepping stone to jump into a Junior Planner and from here, its up to the individual to development himself to reach the top position in planning management.
There were cases that an individual who has graduated from a Management University becomes a Project Manager. If you family owns the company, you can directly appoint yourself as Project Manager or even higher position than that.
Regards,
Cyril
Singapore
Member for
22 years 4 monthsRE: Losing career for fresh graduates
Erik is rightly in saying that project management course is not the foundation to build up a career. Experience is the major factor in establishing the career so keep involve in Project management activities.
Member for
22 years 6 monthsRE: Losing career for fresh graduates
A person does not become a project manager after going on a project management course.
You only can become a project manager if you have mastered the discipline you have chosen.
You’ve got to come up through the ranks.
There is presently a greater demand for project management, because it suites the dynamic world we live in. Project management is a well established industry, so it is not like the IT boom we have had in the last 20 years. You can not go do an expensive course, walk into a job and earn tons of cash.
I would suggest that they keep on looking for oportunities to gain experience and better pay.
If want to quit project management after their first job, then it was maybe just a carreer mistake in the first place?
Member for
21 yearsRE: Losing career for fresh graduates
I Agree With you ,but what i mean that the entry levels in in the field of project management for example(Junior scheduler or planner,Cost estimator ....)
thanks
Member for
21 years 2 monthsRE: Losing career for fresh graduates
I have never seen a Project Manager straight out of college.
I am use to a person start work at a Junior level and work your way up. In our industry we start PM as Trainee Engineer. Then we will move them to Project Controls to learn about planning and cost / Then as a junior/assistant PM / and after that they will move to a PM position.
You know what you learn in a book is not necasarry the way things are done. So my advice is when you have graduated dont try to start at PM level get some good expariance in a junior level first. This will assist you to become a PM (Nothing worst than an PM that dont know what he is talking about)