I fully understand, however it is very hard to tell the executive that yes we are using a new software, and yes there is no existing resource to drive it(but we will learn it). My preference is to use a tool can do everything. I am ready to venture, however, for established business it is very hard to sell it and built up the case. Sometime good product need time to penatrate the market. To do that you need publicity, and promotion.
Good Luck!
Cheers
Alex
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Submitted by Vladimir Liberzon on Fri, 2006-11-17 00:13
for an experienced planner a problem of learning new software product is a small one. Especially when this software solves most problems that were met earlier. But let’s discuss it at other forum.
There is A LOT of functions that P3e is unable to achieve. You paid attention to a small one and your choice was a surprise to me. Let’s wait if Primavera will develop this function. It is not easy.
In this forum I just wanted to warn P3e users that P3e report on the number of resource units of some type that are required at any moment may be erroneous if you use part time resource assignments and there are more than one resource unit of this type.
The results of resource leveling may be wrong also.
The same problem exist in MS Project.
And I am certainly interested in your solution for automatic resource assignments based on the necessary skills.
But the question was about quantity reports and not about skill scheduling.
My problem selling Spider Project to the executives is availiability to planning resource who can drive it and support it. Anyway back to the original question.
The only function that P3e unable to achieve is automatic assignement of resource base on availiable of role. We did discuss that in Sydney and I have found solution overcome that. As we speak I know that Primavera is develop a function to satisfy our demand.
Therefore, my conlcusion is that P3e can fit both cases whether you want to plan in detail or top level and display it with ease.
Anyone who is interested how to overcome Resource and Role let me know
cheers
Alex
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24 years 9 months
Member for24 years9 months
Submitted by Vladimir Liberzon on Wed, 2006-11-15 23:59
You wrote that "What you can only get is the overall utilisation of the resource" - for manhours but not for quantities!
In many large projects with thousamds of resources it is not practical and necessary to assign unique names for each resource unit. It is not necessary to know the name of each construction worker.
In this case there is a need to know the total number of resources of each type required at different moments.
If you assign individual resource names then you will need to use skill scheduling that we discussed in Sydney. P3e cannot do it also.
hmmm... I can see where you are coming from. If you going to plan one type of resource than yes, it is not possible to distingish 50% load to 100% load individually. What you can only get is the overall utilisation of the resource. The only way you can get the individual resource is to use named resource (Role and Resource) to identify each resource with their role.
The is what I call resource planning in the planning field. At present P3e functionality is very limited in the resource planning area especially in the AutoAssignment. It can achieve some degree of resource planning only.
HTH
ALex
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Submitted by Vladimir Liberzon on Wed, 2006-11-15 00:04
If you plan individual resources then everything is OK. If you have 10 workers (resource - worker, total number of units is 10) then codes will not help. These workers can be used with the different workload on different works simultaneously. It is not easy to understand what number is used at any moment from the information on total work hours/days.
I did not understand how to assign two units with 50% workload and distinguish this assignment from assignment of one unit with 100% workload.
to display a histogram in P3e is rather simple as long as you have loaded your resource correctly. I am happy to post a S-Curve + Histogram P3e layout in here if everyone is want to C it.
PM me with your e-mail I can send you a simple copy of a S-Curve and Histogram
Alex
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Submitted by Vladimir Liberzon on Mon, 2006-11-13 12:10
P3e like MSP works with resource hours and does not work with labor resource quantities. If resources are not 100% loaded on activities then you can receive wrong resource constrained schedules.
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22 years 8 monthsRE: P3e Histogram
Vladimir
I fully understand, however it is very hard to tell the executive that yes we are using a new software, and yes there is no existing resource to drive it(but we will learn it). My preference is to use a tool can do everything. I am ready to venture, however, for established business it is very hard to sell it and built up the case. Sometime good product need time to penatrate the market. To do that you need publicity, and promotion.
Good Luck!
Cheers
Alex
Member for
24 years 9 monthsRE: P3e Histogram
Alex,
for an experienced planner a problem of learning new software product is a small one. Especially when this software solves most problems that were met earlier. But let’s discuss it at other forum.
There is A LOT of functions that P3e is unable to achieve. You paid attention to a small one and your choice was a surprise to me. Let’s wait if Primavera will develop this function. It is not easy.
In this forum I just wanted to warn P3e users that P3e report on the number of resource units of some type that are required at any moment may be erroneous if you use part time resource assignments and there are more than one resource unit of this type.
The results of resource leveling may be wrong also.
The same problem exist in MS Project.
And I am certainly interested in your solution for automatic resource assignments based on the necessary skills.
But the question was about quantity reports and not about skill scheduling.
Regards,
Vladimir
Member for
22 years 8 monthsRE: P3e Histogram
Vladimir
My problem selling Spider Project to the executives is availiability to planning resource who can drive it and support it. Anyway back to the original question.
The only function that P3e unable to achieve is automatic assignement of resource base on availiable of role. We did discuss that in Sydney and I have found solution overcome that. As we speak I know that Primavera is develop a function to satisfy our demand.
Therefore, my conlcusion is that P3e can fit both cases whether you want to plan in detail or top level and display it with ease.
Anyone who is interested how to overcome Resource and Role let me know
cheers
Alex
Member for
24 years 9 monthsRE: P3e Histogram
Alex,
You wrote that "What you can only get is the overall utilisation of the resource" - for manhours but not for quantities!
In many large projects with thousamds of resources it is not practical and necessary to assign unique names for each resource unit. It is not necessary to know the name of each construction worker.
In this case there is a need to know the total number of resources of each type required at different moments.
If you assign individual resource names then you will need to use skill scheduling that we discussed in Sydney. P3e cannot do it also.
By the way, did you try it in Spider Project?
Regards,
Vladimir
Member for
22 years 8 monthsRE: P3e Histogram
Vladimir
hmmm... I can see where you are coming from. If you going to plan one type of resource than yes, it is not possible to distingish 50% load to 100% load individually. What you can only get is the overall utilisation of the resource. The only way you can get the individual resource is to use named resource (Role and Resource) to identify each resource with their role.
The is what I call resource planning in the planning field. At present P3e functionality is very limited in the resource planning area especially in the AutoAssignment. It can achieve some degree of resource planning only.
HTH
ALex
Member for
24 years 9 monthsRE: P3e Histogram
If you plan individual resources then everything is OK. If you have 10 workers (resource - worker, total number of units is 10) then codes will not help. These workers can be used with the different workload on different works simultaneously. It is not easy to understand what number is used at any moment from the information on total work hours/days.
I did not understand how to assign two units with 50% workload and distinguish this assignment from assignment of one unit with 100% workload.
Cheers
Vladimir
Member for
22 years 8 monthsRE: P3e Histogram
Vladimir
yes what you do is use resource code and display them in different color.
In addition, sometime I use the custom display options to display % of utilisation by dividing it to the total unit availiable.
Cheers
Alex
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24 years 9 monthsRE: P3e Histogram
Alex,
do you know the way to distinguish between two resource units assigned with 50% workload and one resource unit assigned with 100% workload?
Best Regards,
Vladimir
Member for
22 years 8 monthsRE: P3e Histogram
Mario
to display a histogram in P3e is rather simple as long as you have loaded your resource correctly. I am happy to post a S-Curve + Histogram P3e layout in here if everyone is want to C it.
PM me with your e-mail I can send you a simple copy of a S-Curve and Histogram
Alex
Member for
24 years 9 monthsRE: P3e Histogram
Mario,
P3e like MSP works with resource hours and does not work with labor resource quantities. If resources are not 100% loaded on activities then you can receive wrong resource constrained schedules.