Shouldn’t Primavera have a better equivalent to 3.1 by the time 64bit processors are the norm? If we can’t transfer a schedule in 3.1 to whatever version they’re up to then, we’d at least be able to export all the data and import to the new version. The real work would be rebuilding the layouts, filters, etc... such as the transfer between Suretrak and P3.
Thanks a ton for everyones thoughts and insight on this matter. At the moment Im working on some PM and scheduling issues for another part of this project, but I should be back to this issue again tomorrow. Im building "mini" versions of all the schedules, then roleplaying all the contractors & designers using Suretrak, P3 and hopefully a newer version of P3, such as e or e&c if some of my buddies would return emails. I hope to confirm that all the schedules can be checked in/out with all these different versions, and if not, how they can be updated by other members of the team.
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Submitted by Dayanidhi Dhandapany on Thu, 2004-10-14 04:18
For a 15 year program, 1B$, you should look elsewere, not Primavera.
Consider ARTEMIS:
*on the market longer than P3 probably over 20 years, Artemis is an established Enterprise Software, just in case you need a huge resource pool by named resources, to complicate things.
*more powerfull than P3 - I understand with more advanced functions, including Monte Carlo, time-cost trade-off, true job costing, and others.
*Primavera Contractor is limited to 750 activities, you run the risk of running short with it. It is not a substitute to Suretrak. Is not an established product.
*P3e/c is no good, dare you to try it before making your mind. I consider it still a Beta Test you pay for. For over two years we have been running P3 and P3e side by side, P3 is a good product, P3e is not.
*we will continue using P3 until not supported by the windows operating system. If by then P3e is no longer a Beta Product and the 750 activities limit on Primavera Cotractor is raised to Suretrak limit then we might consider P3e an option if Primavera P3e is still on the market.
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Submitted by Kevin Button on Wed, 2004-10-13 05:36
Unfortunately I dont know enough about computers to know why 16 Bit applications might be a problem with 64 bit processors. However there is info at http://www.devx.com/amd/Article/20342 which amongst other stuff says that "You cant run applications that use a 16-bit installer."
Was also talking briefly to somebody who has just returned from the User Conference in New Orleans, and Primavera apparently have said that P3 will not be supported on 64 bit operating systems when they are released.
Hopefully somebody else might be able to shine some more light on this. I will post more info if I find it.
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Submitted by Dayanidhi Dhandapany on Wed, 2004-10-13 03:43
This might be a little off topic, but when you say
"I just want to ensure this schedule is "future proofed" where over the course of 10-15 years..."
you may need to keep in mind the hardware you are using. P3 is 16 bit software and as I understand it will not work with 64 bit processors. In a few years when 64 bit processors become the norm you might run into some trouble if somebody wants to upgrade your server to the latest and greatest.
Suretrak on the other hand is 32 bit software and would be OK with a 64 bit processor.
You cad cure your file-growing problem by running the utility included with P3 called, PFXW.EXE. This program repairs broken files and also compresses them. Run this utility as often as you like. The help screen in the program will tell you more about it.
Good luck!
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Submitted by Steven Oliver on Tue, 2004-10-12 13:00
Thats what Im currently doing and everything works fine with 3 projects, I just want to ensure this schedule is "future proofed" where over the course of 10-15 years and 40 more schedules, this thing doesnt blow up or have to go in the trash bin and completely redone due to a decision Im making today.
Right now Im populating the master schedule by creating all the sub-projects (level 1 schedules) to test a few questions of mine, particularly on dependancies and progressing.
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Submitted by Steven Oliver on Tue, 2004-10-12 12:50
You could try the check-out/check-in facility. Whereby you can temporarily extract a sub-project, send it away for updating and reattach when you get it back, and still retain the logical links between sub-projects.
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21 yearsRE: Large Program / Multiple Schedules
Shouldn’t Primavera have a better equivalent to 3.1 by the time 64bit processors are the norm? If we can’t transfer a schedule in 3.1 to whatever version they’re up to then, we’d at least be able to export all the data and import to the new version. The real work would be rebuilding the layouts, filters, etc... such as the transfer between Suretrak and P3.
Thanks a ton for everyones thoughts and insight on this matter. At the moment Im working on some PM and scheduling issues for another part of this project, but I should be back to this issue again tomorrow. Im building "mini" versions of all the schedules, then roleplaying all the contractors & designers using Suretrak, P3 and hopefully a newer version of P3, such as e or e&c if some of my buddies would return emails. I hope to confirm that all the schedules can be checked in/out with all these different versions, and if not, how they can be updated by other members of the team.
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22 years 7 monthsRE: Large Program / Multiple Schedules
Dear Kevin/Paul,
Thanks for sharing your information.
Regards
Daya
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22 years 5 monthsRE: Large Program / Multiple Schedules
Dayanidhi Dhandapany
You may find the following thread interesting as it identifies all of the features that will not be supported by 64 bit Win XP. (DOS is history)
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/…
Some quite suprising features will not be supported. Looks like all work and no play to me.
Hope you find it of interest
Paul
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21 years 8 monthsRE: Large Program / Multiple Schedules
For a 15 year program, 1B$, you should look elsewere, not Primavera.
Consider ARTEMIS:
*on the market longer than P3 probably over 20 years, Artemis is an established Enterprise Software, just in case you need a huge resource pool by named resources, to complicate things.
*more powerfull than P3 - I understand with more advanced functions, including Monte Carlo, time-cost trade-off, true job costing, and others.
*Primavera Contractor is limited to 750 activities, you run the risk of running short with it. It is not a substitute to Suretrak. Is not an established product.
*P3e/c is no good, dare you to try it before making your mind. I consider it still a Beta Test you pay for. For over two years we have been running P3 and P3e side by side, P3 is a good product, P3e is not.
*we will continue using P3 until not supported by the windows operating system. If by then P3e is no longer a Beta Product and the 750 activities limit on Primavera Cotractor is raised to Suretrak limit then we might consider P3e an option if Primavera P3e is still on the market.
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22 years 3 monthsRE: Large Program / Multiple Schedules
Unfortunately I dont know enough about computers to know why 16 Bit applications might be a problem with 64 bit processors. However there is info at http://www.devx.com/amd/Article/20342 which amongst other stuff says that "You cant run applications that use a 16-bit installer."
Other info is available at
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/16-bit%20application
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/64-bit
Was also talking briefly to somebody who has just returned from the User Conference in New Orleans, and Primavera apparently have said that P3 will not be supported on 64 bit operating systems when they are released.
Hopefully somebody else might be able to shine some more light on this. I will post more info if I find it.
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22 years 7 monthsRE: Large Program / Multiple Schedules
Dear Kevin,
Could you please tell me why 16 bit applications can’t run on 64 bit processor, while 32 bit can?.
Thanks in advance,
Regards
Daya
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22 years 3 monthsRE: Large Program / Multiple Schedules
This might be a little off topic, but when you say
"I just want to ensure this schedule is "future proofed" where over the course of 10-15 years..."
you may need to keep in mind the hardware you are using. P3 is 16 bit software and as I understand it will not work with 64 bit processors. In a few years when 64 bit processors become the norm you might run into some trouble if somebody wants to upgrade your server to the latest and greatest.
Suretrak on the other hand is 32 bit software and would be OK with a 64 bit processor.
Good luck.
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22 years 5 monthsRE: Large Program / Multiple Schedules
This is a very interesting post and Im so interested knowing about this thats why I made this post to keep me alarm everytime.
More Power
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22 years 10 monthsRE: Large Program / Multiple Schedules
You cad cure your file-growing problem by running the utility included with P3 called, PFXW.EXE. This program repairs broken files and also compresses them. Run this utility as often as you like. The help screen in the program will tell you more about it.
Good luck!
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22 years 11 monthsRE: Large Program / Multiple Schedules
Just need to maintain the discipline.
However I am reminded that using this method there was one of the P3 files (possibly stw) appeared to enlarge with each successive re-attachment.
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21 yearsRE: Large Program / Multiple Schedules
Thats what Im currently doing and everything works fine with 3 projects, I just want to ensure this schedule is "future proofed" where over the course of 10-15 years and 40 more schedules, this thing doesnt blow up or have to go in the trash bin and completely redone due to a decision Im making today.
Right now Im populating the master schedule by creating all the sub-projects (level 1 schedules) to test a few questions of mine, particularly on dependancies and progressing.
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22 years 11 monthsRE: Large Program / Multiple Schedules
You could try the check-out/check-in facility. Whereby you can temporarily extract a sub-project, send it away for updating and reattach when you get it back, and still retain the logical links between sub-projects.