Quite correct. The definition of maturity, is as a result of experience, you know a hundred ways to solve a problem, and have a hundred ideas how to solve one problem. It is very simple, the older people hand their experience to younger generations, through mentorship, but do not make it prohibitive rules, encouraging free thinking. This results in more rapid progress, as a result of the fact that you already know a solution, and do not have to start from scratch, it is called basic princi;les. All you have to do is find one good idea out of the normal way, and not a hundred new ideas.
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Submitted by Charleston-Jos… on Sat, 2005-11-12 05:40
Critisism, or judgement is not one of my great strengths, I think understanding is what people need, and with understanding comes acceptance of the differences that exists between cultures, and all things. The point is not changing who or what they are, but accepting it without prejudice, and living in harmony.
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Submitted by Larry Blankenship on Thu, 2005-10-27 13:43
Phillip, having always lived in a country where censorship is not a government function but an individual function, I cant pretend to know how you feel.
I think the main thing is to separate your opinions from the facts of the issue and stick to the facts and logical conclusions that can be drawn from them.
If someone uses language that is flowery or hard to read, you can say that without questioning their sexual orientation. That is a comment on their use of language rather than them. I try to remember what someone once told me: "Never criticize people for who they are. If you must criticize, criticize for what they do. They can always change the latter."
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Submitted by Philip Jonker on Thu, 2005-10-27 13:30
For some or other reason, I have not been accused of arrogance. Maybe, the reason is that I am always prepared to help and assist where I can. However, I call a spade a spade, and did not spend my life in a finishing school for girls. However, I have good experience of having lived in a country, where censorship, was practiced to the extreme, and when you have the experience of this, and subsequent freedom of expression and all the other good things, you realise the greatness of democracy, however, the fact is even if you do not agree with certain people, respect them, but this does not extend to placating them with nice words, and other things they want to hear. The essence of respect, is self respect, and this will help you to respect others, however, when your self respect is attacked, you have the right to retaliate in kind.
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Submitted by Chris Oggham on Thu, 2005-10-27 03:38
Youre quite right, and that in itself is enough to make a thread which is uncensored and unmoderated unnecessary. If someone feels that they have to make their point to someone else within PP, bluntly and explicitly, the Private Message facility is available.
You should not be surprised, however, if you get a message just as blunt and explicit in return, or your private message is referred to the moderators. People who are just trying to help others do not have to put up with abuse or intimidation.
Philip, I dont believe it is necessary to insult or intimidate people in order to discuss planning and scheduling issues or assist people with their questions.
Truth is relative. The only people who believe its absolute are madmen and simpletons. Frankly, one mans truth is anothers insult. Tact is telling someone theyre a [insert epithet here] and having them thank you for bringing to their attention. Tactlessness is being more concerned about your own opinion than other peoples feelings, which in another word is arrogance.
Having been accused of being arrogant more than once in my life, Ive learned to be more considerate, and have discovered it gets me better results. Logic and an open mind will always overcome name calling and criticism.
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Submitted by Philip Jonker on Thu, 2005-10-20 16:01
The point is not about one upmanship, but about the truth, and that is where the question lies, if you cannot accept the truth, the fact is that you have been through stages of indoctrination (normally referred to as brain-washing) and maybe what you need is a tumble dry, ie a shake-up
My question is why its needed. Is the urge or need to be obnoxious that strong that some must be excused for it or be given a special place to do it? Thats what UseNet is for. Part of the reason Im enjoying Planning Planet is because I dont have to wade through as much effluvia to get to the meaty stuff that will actually help me in my career or that will cause me to think more about planning issues, etc.
Im inclined to believe that it wouldnt be a bad thing for those who feel the need to use rude language, flames, insults, etc. to learn some manners in the first place.
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Hi Charlie,
Quite correct. The definition of maturity, is as a result of experience, you know a hundred ways to solve a problem, and have a hundred ideas how to solve one problem. It is very simple, the older people hand their experience to younger generations, through mentorship, but do not make it prohibitive rules, encouraging free thinking. This results in more rapid progress, as a result of the fact that you already know a solution, and do not have to start from scratch, it is called basic princi;les. All you have to do is find one good idea out of the normal way, and not a hundred new ideas.
Regards
Philip
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Hi Philip,
I like to hear that Philosophy comes from you "living in harmony".
I agree that this is what PP needs, to learn to accept each other uniqueness and learn to live in harmony.
Criticism per se is not really bad. Most of the time it is good and it developed maturity in how to deal with others including "living in harmony".
IMHO,
Cheers,
Charlie
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Hi Larry,
Critisism, or judgement is not one of my great strengths, I think understanding is what people need, and with understanding comes acceptance of the differences that exists between cultures, and all things. The point is not changing who or what they are, but accepting it without prejudice, and living in harmony.
Regards
Philip
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Phillip, having always lived in a country where censorship is not a government function but an individual function, I cant pretend to know how you feel.
I think the main thing is to separate your opinions from the facts of the issue and stick to the facts and logical conclusions that can be drawn from them.
If someone uses language that is flowery or hard to read, you can say that without questioning their sexual orientation. That is a comment on their use of language rather than them. I try to remember what someone once told me: "Never criticize people for who they are. If you must criticize, criticize for what they do. They can always change the latter."
Larry
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Hi guys,
For some or other reason, I have not been accused of arrogance. Maybe, the reason is that I am always prepared to help and assist where I can. However, I call a spade a spade, and did not spend my life in a finishing school for girls. However, I have good experience of having lived in a country, where censorship, was practiced to the extreme, and when you have the experience of this, and subsequent freedom of expression and all the other good things, you realise the greatness of democracy, however, the fact is even if you do not agree with certain people, respect them, but this does not extend to placating them with nice words, and other things they want to hear. The essence of respect, is self respect, and this will help you to respect others, however, when your self respect is attacked, you have the right to retaliate in kind.
Regards
Philip
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Stacy,
Youre quite right, and that in itself is enough to make a thread which is uncensored and unmoderated unnecessary. If someone feels that they have to make their point to someone else within PP, bluntly and explicitly, the Private Message facility is available.
You should not be surprised, however, if you get a message just as blunt and explicit in return, or your private message is referred to the moderators. People who are just trying to help others do not have to put up with abuse or intimidation.
Chris Oggham
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Philip, I dont believe it is necessary to insult or intimidate people in order to discuss planning and scheduling issues or assist people with their questions.
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Philip,
Truth is relative. The only people who believe its absolute are madmen and simpletons. Frankly, one mans truth is anothers insult. Tact is telling someone theyre a [insert epithet here] and having them thank you for bringing to their attention. Tactlessness is being more concerned about your own opinion than other peoples feelings, which in another word is arrogance.
Having been accused of being arrogant more than once in my life, Ive learned to be more considerate, and have discovered it gets me better results. Logic and an open mind will always overcome name calling and criticism.
Larry
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pmkb.
The point is not about one upmanship, but about the truth, and that is where the question lies, if you cannot accept the truth, the fact is that you have been through stages of indoctrination (normally referred to as brain-washing) and maybe what you need is a tumble dry, ie a shake-up
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Well said Larry. It would be nice if issues were more important than personalities and one-upmanship.
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Charlie good to see you where have u been
Nice to see your new thread why not reply to 68???
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My question is why its needed. Is the urge or need to be obnoxious that strong that some must be excused for it or be given a special place to do it? Thats what UseNet is for. Part of the reason Im enjoying Planning Planet is because I dont have to wade through as much effluvia to get to the meaty stuff that will actually help me in my career or that will cause me to think more about planning issues, etc.
Im inclined to believe that it wouldnt be a bad thing for those who feel the need to use rude language, flames, insults, etc. to learn some manners in the first place.
Larry