OK, it appears we are done here. james please post these in a prominent location - perhaps on thier own page - linked from the main page and ALL forum pages.
1. Do not post "spam" messages. The Planning Planet already has sections for listing software, consulting services and job opportunities. Do not post:
* Advertisements for commercial products or services; ("signature" links are OK as long as posts are on topic)
* Resumes / CVs or job opportunities outside of the Project Services Career Issues forum
2. Keep conversations civil. This is a professional forum. Flaming, taunting, name calling, abusive language and derisive / condescending posts will not be tolerated.
3. No cross (double) posting. Post once in the most appropriate forum. Double posts in multiple forums will be deleted.
4. Do not post copyrighted materials. You may quote a few sentences (as long as it is not enough to infringe on the copyright) and post a link to the original source.
5. Do not post viruses, malicious code or links to files and the like.
6. Messages should preferably be in English. While the membership is worldwide with many languages represented, it is prefereble to maintain discussions here where the majority of our members can participate.
7. Keep discussions on topic. Personal messages should be handled via e-mail. The public forums are not chat rooms.
8. Do not include other people’s personal details (email addresses, telephone numbers, etc) in your post.
I agree with Mark Lomas and the suggested edits and would not object if they were posted as written.
Para 8 may read better as:
8. Do not include other people’s personal details (email addresses, telephone numbers, etc) in your post.
Re para 5. I agree that links to executable files should not be posted, but are we inviting problems by advertising the option is available. Could we say that links to web sites only and not to files should be posted, without stating "executable".
This then give moderators "Authority" to delete links to files.
I am unsure of only English only. I have answered question from forums in French and Spanish when I have had time to translate them. Should we look for foreign language postings with translators etc! I agree no personal messages. Maybe preferabley post massages in English.
Regards
Paul E Harris
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Submitted by Bernard Ertl on Mon, 2004-06-21 10:50
We discussed this earlier, and the consensus was that it was appropriate to post CVs/resumes and job opportunities in the Careers/Services forum. If everyone still feels this way, we should amend point #1.
Also, we discussed the issue of "signature" links/adverts and we should probably amend point #1 to address this as well.
I propose the following verbiage:
1. Do not post "spam" messages. The Planning Planet already has sections for listing software, consulting services and job opportunities. Do not post:
Advertisements for commercial products or services; ("signature" links are OK as long as posts are on topic)
Resumes / CVs or job opportunities outside of the Project Services Career Issues forum
1. Do not post spam. PP already has sections for listing software, consulting services and job opportunities. Do not post:
* Advertisements for commercial products or services;
* Resumes / CVs;
* Job opportunities
2. Keep conversations civil. This is a professional forum. Flaming, taunting, name calling, abusive language and derisive / condescending posts will not be tolerated.
3. No cross (double) posting. Post once in the most appropriate forum. Double posts in multiple forums will be deleted.
4. Do not post copyrighted materials. You may quote a few sentences (as long as it is not enough to infringe on the copyright) and post a link to the original source.
5. Do not post viruses, malicious code or links to executable files and the like.
6. Post messages in English. While the membership is worldwide with many languages represented, it is desirable to maintain discussions here where all members can participate.
7. Keep discussions on topic. Personal messages should be handled via e-mail. The public forums are not chat rooms.
8. Do not include personal details (email addresses, telephone numbers, etc) of others in posts
Any comment by Friday 25 June 04, or suggest we post as is.
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Submitted by Bernard Ertl on Mon, 2004-05-10 11:05
Post messages in English. While the membership is worldwide with many languages represented, it is desirable to maintain discussions here where all members can participate.
Keep discussions on topic. Personal messages should be handled via e-mail (or possibly a privage message system if the PP team implements one). The public forums are not chat rooms.
Ron, tried the site, had a good time, but didnt get a chance to win a car - please check your web pages ;)
I agree with Bernard. Most forums allow this signature file to contain links. We should perhaps only check out the link to make sure it is not to somewhere unsuitable - a link to www.ronwinterconsulting.com is OK, a link to www.fredsfreeporn.com is not !
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Submitted by Bernard Ertl on Wed, 2003-12-10 16:36
I (obviously) do not see a problem with people including a link as part of a "signature" as long as the post is an attempt to contribute something positive to the thread/discussion.
The example you posted would just be a blatant advertisement without contributing anything to the discussion at hand (or raising a discussion of merit).
That said, it would not bother me if you posted a link such as your example under your name as a signature where you contributed a thoughtful/useful post.
If others disagree, we should incorporate a prohibition on signature links in the guidelines.
Bernard, we never did finish those guidelines did we ? We should. Am OK with what you proposed (points 1 to 4). I read the BBC Guidelines from the link I posted and they say pretty much the same thing (with additional points on personal data ?).
Do not post spam. PP already has sections for listing software, consulting services and job opportunities. Do not post:
Advertisements for commercial products or services;
Resumes / CVs;
Job opportunities
Keep conversations civil. This is a professional forum. Flaming, taunting, name calling, abusive language and derisive/condescending posts will not be tolerated.
No cross (double) posting. Post once in the most appropriate forum. Double posts in multiple forums will be deleted.
Do not post copyrighted materials. You may quote a few sentences (as long as it is not enough to infringe on the copyright) and post a link to the original source.
Do not include personal details (email
addresses, telephone numbers, etc) of others in posts
If we agree that these are the PP posting guidelines, then the posting window needs to be changed to state "By posting you accept the posting rules. The moderators reserve the right to
edit/delete any and/or all posts. Any breach of the rules may resulting your removal from the PP membership and/or banning of your IP" or something to that effect, with a link to the rules.
Let’s review, then put it in place.
Mark
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Member for22 years11 months
Submitted by Bernard Ertl on Wed, 2003-12-10 01:20
I suspect the single quotes do not work in the href URLs because of this. Perhaps the single quotes inside the < a href > tags could be automatically converted to double quotes?
Mark, I pushed for publishing a set of guidelines when we first started moderating to clear up the moderating duties. Im abiding by what I proposed even though nothing appears to have been formally adopted, much less published.
I understand that James and the PP team are sensitive to free speech / censorship, so I try to take a minimalist approach.
The guidelines in the link you provided are OK, but specific to the forum for which they were written. The PP forum scripts work differently. I have not read the info on that blog in depth, but if you have digested some good ideas from it, perhaps you could propose some PP guidelines incorporating them in the guidelines thread linked above?
I was just watching Bernard’s posting rate outpacing the rest of us since we started moderating.
I don’t believe any of the PPers can have any complaints on the moderating thus far. Yes, we could ask them but (and I don’t usually like American-isms) if it ain’t broke don’t fix it !
We could, however, do some self-analysis. Keep a log of our own actions for a couple of weeks
numbers of visits;
posts read;
posts edited / deleted;
etc:
I now have Everything In Moderation on an RSS feed into Outlook, so I can keep up to date with postings there. Useful guidelines in this post.
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Submitted by Bernard Ertl on Tue, 2003-12-09 12:25
No apologies necessary. Sometimes I do not get to the computer/internet for stretches of time as well. I’m sure that is true for everyone.
Because of that, I think it is good that multiple moderators keep an eye on all categories. I think that perhaps we should try to communicate with each other here in private and we will be able to work things out.
Hey, don’t count the rest of us out! I have had my hands full screening out the advertisements and mud slinging. I only visit once a day, (which doesn’t rate very high if you look at the daily rate of some of the members) but it seems to get the job done.
If you make a single Moderator responsible for any area, then that entire section goes unchecked should that person be unavailable for reasons that occur all of the time (vacation, sickness, job assignments, etc.) I say leave it as it is.
If the quality of the moderating goes down, then we need to look at how to improve. Until we have a way to measure he quality of the moderating, we won’t know if improvement or change is warranted. So, are there any ideas on how to evaluate the quality of the moderating?
Here is my list for starters,
1. Ask the members
2. Track statistics on the actions of the Moderators.
I note that you are doing most of the moderating (sorry), I dont get here every day of late and am usually beaten to it by you. One of our earlier ideas was for us each to take two or three categories and moderate those. We could resurrect that the help share the work. What do you think ?
Mark
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Submitted by Bernard Ertl on Thu, 2003-12-04 10:33
There would be no problem with unlocking it IMO. I think the two threads are mainly discussing separate topics, enough to stand alone.
I would have just unlocked it, but I just wanted to find out if there was a reason that I wasn’t seeing for locking it. Moderating the PP forum is stil rather new to all of us and, IMHO, the moderators here have not interacted enought to really get a feel for each other, so I thought I would post the question here in private and see what the thought/concern was before undoing what someone else did and upsetting anyone.
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16 years 9 monthsRE: Locked thread
Hello Team,
You should now be able to find the Forum Rules and Guidelines on all pages of the Forum.
Let us know if you want them amended, or think they should be displayed more prominently.
Hope they help.
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16 years 9 monthsRE: Locked thread
Hi Guys,
Well done. This will get sorted shortly.
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24 years 4 monthsRE: Locked thread
OK, it appears we are done here. james please post these in a prominent location - perhaps on thier own page - linked from the main page and ALL forum pages.
1. Do not post "spam" messages. The Planning Planet already has sections for listing software, consulting services and job opportunities. Do not post:
* Advertisements for commercial products or services; ("signature" links are OK as long as posts are on topic)
* Resumes / CVs or job opportunities outside of the Project Services Career Issues forum
2. Keep conversations civil. This is a professional forum. Flaming, taunting, name calling, abusive language and derisive / condescending posts will not be tolerated.
3. No cross (double) posting. Post once in the most appropriate forum. Double posts in multiple forums will be deleted.
4. Do not post copyrighted materials. You may quote a few sentences (as long as it is not enough to infringe on the copyright) and post a link to the original source.
5. Do not post viruses, malicious code or links to files and the like.
6. Messages should preferably be in English. While the membership is worldwide with many languages represented, it is prefereble to maintain discussions here where the majority of our members can participate.
7. Keep discussions on topic. Personal messages should be handled via e-mail. The public forums are not chat rooms.
8. Do not include other people’s personal details (email addresses, telephone numbers, etc) in your post.
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24 years 7 monthsRE: Locked thread
I agree with Mark Lomas and the suggested edits and would not object if they were posted as written.
Para 8 may read better as:
8. Do not include other people’s personal details (email addresses, telephone numbers, etc) in your post.
Re para 5. I agree that links to executable files should not be posted, but are we inviting problems by advertising the option is available. Could we say that links to web sites only and not to files should be posted, without stating "executable".
This then give moderators "Authority" to delete links to files.
I am unsure of only English only. I have answered question from forums in French and Spanish when I have had time to translate them. Should we look for foreign language postings with translators etc! I agree no personal messages. Maybe preferabley post massages in English.
Regards
Paul E Harris
Member for
22 years 11 monthsRE: Locked thread
We discussed this earlier, and the consensus was that it was appropriate to post CVs/resumes and job opportunities in the Careers/Services forum. If everyone still feels this way, we should amend point #1.
Also, we discussed the issue of "signature" links/adverts and we should probably amend point #1 to address this as well.
I propose the following verbiage:
1. Do not post "spam" messages. The Planning Planet already has sections for listing software, consulting services and job opportunities. Do not post:
Bernard Ertl
InterPlan Systems - eTaskMaker Project Planning Software
Member for
16 years 9 monthsRE: Locked thread
Hi there,
Well done. I am continually amazed and in awe of your enthusiasm and professionalism.
Let me know when you want these "rules & Regs" published.
Planning Planet.
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24 years 4 monthsRE: Locked thread
Final (?) Guidelines:
1. Do not post spam. PP already has sections for listing software, consulting services and job opportunities. Do not post:
* Advertisements for commercial products or services;
* Resumes / CVs;
* Job opportunities
2. Keep conversations civil. This is a professional forum. Flaming, taunting, name calling, abusive language and derisive / condescending posts will not be tolerated.
3. No cross (double) posting. Post once in the most appropriate forum. Double posts in multiple forums will be deleted.
4. Do not post copyrighted materials. You may quote a few sentences (as long as it is not enough to infringe on the copyright) and post a link to the original source.
5. Do not post viruses, malicious code or links to executable files and the like.
6. Post messages in English. While the membership is worldwide with many languages represented, it is desirable to maintain discussions here where all members can participate.
7. Keep discussions on topic. Personal messages should be handled via e-mail. The public forums are not chat rooms.
8. Do not include personal details (email addresses, telephone numbers, etc) of others in posts
Any comment by Friday 25 June 04, or suggest we post as is.
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22 years 11 monthsRE: Locked thread
Re: Guidelines
I suggest we add:
Bernard Ertl
InterPlan Systems - eTaskMaker Project Planning Software
Member for
24 years 4 monthsRE: Locked thread
Ron, tried the site, had a good time, but didnt get a chance to win a car - please check your web pages ;)
I agree with Bernard. Most forums allow this signature file to contain links. We should perhaps only check out the link to make sure it is not to somewhere unsuitable - a link to www.ronwinterconsulting.com is OK, a link to www.fredsfreeporn.com is not !
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I (obviously) do not see a problem with people including a link as part of a "signature" as long as the post is an attempt to contribute something positive to the thread/discussion.
The example you posted would just be a blatant advertisement without contributing anything to the discussion at hand (or raising a discussion of merit).
That said, it would not bother me if you posted a link such as your example under your name as a signature where you contributed a thoughtful/useful post.
If others disagree, we should incorporate a prohibition on signature links in the guidelines.
Bernard Ertl
InterPlan Systems Inc. - Project Management Software, Project Planning Software
Member for
22 years 10 monthsRE: Locked thread
I still have a problem with links being left to our Bussiness web sites. Isn’t this a form of advertising?
What is the difference between For insanely great software, a really good time, and a chance to win a car, try this revolutionary new web site! and just leaving a link to your business web site after your name?
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22 years 11 monthsRE: Locked thread
Looks good to me Mark.
Bernard Ertl
InterPlan Systems Inc. - Project Management Software, Project Planning Software
Member for
24 years 4 monthsRE: Locked thread
Bernard, we never did finish those guidelines did we ? We should. Am OK with what you proposed (points 1 to 4). I read the BBC Guidelines from the link I posted and they say pretty much the same thing (with additional points on personal data ?).
addresses, telephone numbers, etc) of others in posts
If we agree that these are the PP posting guidelines, then the posting window needs to be changed to state "By posting you accept the posting rules. The moderators reserve the right to
edit/delete any and/or all posts. Any breach of the rules may resulting your removal from the PP membership and/or banning of your IP" or something to that effect, with a link to the rules.
Let’s review, then put it in place.
Mark
Member for
22 years 11 monthsRE: Locked thread
I suspect the single quotes do not work in the href URLs because of this. Perhaps the single quotes inside the < a href > tags could be automatically converted to double quotes?
Bernard Ertl
InterPlan Systems Inc. - Project Management Software, Project Planning Software
Member for
22 years 11 monthsRE: Locked thread
Mark, I pushed for publishing a set of guidelines when we first started moderating to clear up the moderating duties. Im abiding by what I proposed even though nothing appears to have been formally adopted, much less published.
I understand that James and the PP team are sensitive to free speech / censorship, so I try to take a minimalist approach.
The guidelines in the link you provided are OK, but specific to the forum for which they were written. The PP forum scripts work differently. I have not read the info on that blog in depth, but if you have digested some good ideas from it, perhaps you could propose some PP guidelines incorporating them in the guidelines thread linked above?
Bernard Ertl
InterPlan Systems Inc. - Project Management Software, Project Planning Software
Member for
24 years 4 monthsRE: Locked thread
Yes, I noticed that. James, is it fixable ?
Bernard, Ron, et al any feedback on the moderators role ?
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22 years 11 monthsRE: Locked thread
Mark, you need to use the double quote in your href HTML code. The single quotes do not work properly. I fixed the URL you just posted.
Bernard Ertl
InterPlan Systems Inc. - Project Management Software, Project Planning Software
Member for
24 years 4 monthsRE: Locked thread
Hi Ron,
I was just watching Bernard’s posting rate outpacing the rest of us since we started moderating.
I don’t believe any of the PPers can have any complaints on the moderating thus far. Yes, we could ask them but (and I don’t usually like American-isms) if it ain’t broke don’t fix it !
We could, however, do some self-analysis. Keep a log of our own actions for a couple of weeks
I now have Everything In Moderation on an RSS feed into Outlook, so I can keep up to date with postings there. Useful guidelines in this post.
Member for
22 years 11 monthsRE: Locked thread
Mark,
No apologies necessary. Sometimes I do not get to the computer/internet for stretches of time as well. I’m sure that is true for everyone.
Because of that, I think it is good that multiple moderators keep an eye on all categories. I think that perhaps we should try to communicate with each other here in private and we will be able to work things out.
[edit: LOL. Jinx Ron]
Bernard Ertl
InterPlan Systems Inc. - Project Management Software, Project Planning Software
Member for
22 years 10 monthsRE: Locked thread
Hey, don’t count the rest of us out! I have had my hands full screening out the advertisements and mud slinging. I only visit once a day, (which doesn’t rate very high if you look at the daily rate of some of the members) but it seems to get the job done.
If you make a single Moderator responsible for any area, then that entire section goes unchecked should that person be unavailable for reasons that occur all of the time (vacation, sickness, job assignments, etc.) I say leave it as it is.
If the quality of the moderating goes down, then we need to look at how to improve. Until we have a way to measure he quality of the moderating, we won’t know if improvement or change is warranted. So, are there any ideas on how to evaluate the quality of the moderating?
Here is my list for starters,
1. Ask the members
2. Track statistics on the actions of the Moderators.
3. As the Planning Planet Staff how we are doing.
Ron Winter.
Member for
24 years 4 monthsRE: Locked thread
Bernard,
agree with the "asking first approach".
I note that you are doing most of the moderating (sorry), I dont get here every day of late and am usually beaten to it by you. One of our earlier ideas was for us each to take two or three categories and moderate those. We could resurrect that the help share the work. What do you think ?
Mark
Member for
22 years 11 monthsRE: Locked thread
There would be no problem with unlocking it IMO. I think the two threads are mainly discussing separate topics, enough to stand alone.
I would have just unlocked it, but I just wanted to find out if there was a reason that I wasn’t seeing for locking it. Moderating the PP forum is stil rather new to all of us and, IMHO, the moderators here have not interacted enought to really get a feel for each other, so I thought I would post the question here in private and see what the thought/concern was before undoing what someone else did and upsetting anyone.
Bernard Ertl
InterPlan Systems Inc. - Project Management Software, Project Planning Software
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16 years 9 monthsRE: Locked thread
Erm,
We have not saved a record of who locks and un-locks the records. Sorry.
Is there a problem with un-locking it, or has the other thread, you show, now taken over the discussion?
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24 years 4 monthsRE: Locked thread
I note also that there was then a new thread - Bernard, you will be familiar with this one ;)
See this thread that extended the debate to MSP - P3 - Powerproject.
Was this the reason for locking the former ?
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24 years 4 monthsRE: Locked thread
me neither. If I unlock it, can you tell from the DB who did it ?
Member for
16 years 9 monthsRE: Locked thread
We didnt lock it!