Didnt realise I was inferring one was better than the other. I was making the point that:
Small consultancies can and do handle large claims.
Clients choose on the level of service and value for money, be that comparing the level of service and value for money between two large, two small or one of each size consultancy. Its the level of service and value for money that seems to count, not size.
However, to return to the thread; on this size dispute I would doubt that a small consultancys level of service or value for money is any different from a large consultancy.
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Submitted by Andrew Flowerdew on Fri, 2008-08-08 06:07
It very much depends what you mean by "involved". A project can have a value over $1bn, but your service can be doing a small EOT claim for a sub-contractor on a discrete element of the works.
I would suggest that in order to put a large claim together, small consultancies woul not be a clients natural choice.
This is certainly the case in my experience.
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Submitted by Andrew Flowerdew on Thu, 2008-08-07 21:21
Ive been involved in $1Billion plus international projects - small consultancy, clients choose on level of service and value for money from my experience.
I guess it also really depends whether you want to get involved in the larger jobs, in which case clients will tend to go for the larger consultancies with a number of resources who can assist.
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Submitted by Andrew Flowerdew on Wed, 2008-07-30 08:37
Does actually seem to be quite a few permanent jobs now being advertised, moneys quite good too - but I think Ill struggle on earning my pennies as a subby!
I thought Oliver could start at the top and work his way down to teaboy, I started at the bottom, worked to the top, (easy if you start your own business), but sometimes think Ive worked my way back to being the teaboy!
Location: Kent Employment Type: Permanent Employment
Company / Recruiter: Project Resource Limited
Salary Info: Up to £50,000 per annum + benefits
Advert Description: A very rare opportunity has arisen to break into claims / forensic planning with no experience required. In addition to this great opportunity this role will require remote home-working with regular meetings at their offices in North Kent, so you must be motivated and able to operate in this environment. This role will also require remote working at client sites with possible short oversees trips
The client is a specialist consultancy providing claims, forensic planning and litigation support to major companies around the world. Projects are generally across a range of sectors including oil and gas, civil engineering, construction and power both in the UK and abroad.
Career progression is likely to be swift and you can expect full training as well as on-the-job training from an experienced mentor in claims.
Our client is seeking intermediate planners with the following skills:
- A very good knowledge of Primavera P3e or Primavera P6
- 5 years planning experience (candidates with less will be considered)
- Civil engineering qualification is a distinct advantage
- Good communication skills and a self starter attitude is essential
In return for your experience, our client is willing to offer the following salary:
- Up to £50,000 per annum (depending on experience)
- Generous bonus scheme
This is a great opportunity if you are seeking an opportunity to break into claims / forensic planning and to work from home; please apply today for more information.
Go to the Jobs Section for the full details.
Best regards
Mike Testro
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Submitted by Andrew Flowerdew on Wed, 2008-07-23 10:29
The best experience is certainly by doing it, there’s no substitute for that. It’s difficult to advise on what’s best to do.
Go for the larger consultancy, certainly you will get more varied work but having never been there and done that, I don’t know how intense the training would be and how fast you would be given responsibility. But if they have good people and a good training programme there’s nothing at all wrong in going this way.
In a small consultancy the training would I believe be a lot more intense and you’d be given more responsibility quicker – but that said, knowing how demanding the work can be it could be a sink or swim situation and possibly put you off for life. (Depends how much you like working 7 days a week!!!!! - it does happen at times)
Job adverts do come up from time to time for trainee delay analysts on PP, no doubt you keep an eye on that. Contact a few recruitment agencies, as I said, I don’t think you can say there is a top 5 to aim for. When you go for an interview ask about the training, (probably most important to you), they’re typical workload, (is it an area of the industry you know about), they’re success rate …. Oh don’t forget the salary and perks!
Sorry I can’t be more specific but I hope this helps abit.
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Submitted by Oliver Melling on Mon, 2008-07-21 09:28
As i aim to move from being a planning engineer, I would like to know the consultancies that would give a good grounding in delay analysis.
It is difficult to get details on the how to aspects of different analysis techniques and i imagine the best place to learn is by analysing real claims.
Which firm is it you work for?
Oliver
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Submitted by Andrew Flowerdew on Mon, 2008-07-21 09:18
Ship building is definitely one, IT is another big one. Any dispute involving a delay, whatever industry it is, will use some form of delay analysis to try and ascertain who’s at fault. However most industries do not involve such complex scenarios as construction or ship building etc and therefore they don’t need to use such sophisticated techniques to analyse the circumstances surrounding the delay.
Most will be very simple and can be sorted out by common sense alone. For example, goods were delivered late to my shop – is a delay claim, but nine times out of ten it’s simply the suppliers fault for whatever reason, no great analysis needed.
But any industry where there is a complex interaction of lots of events will in the event of a dispute use some form of delay analysis - possibly not computer based critical path analysis however. A lot of times each side will make a lot of accusations about what they think caused the delay without any formal delay analysis and then the judge or arbitrator will decide on the day what he believes the important delays were and rule accordingly, (sadly also happening in more and more construction disputes these days due to the poor programming and record keeping on a project).
As for the top 5 consultancies – the question is, top 5 at exactly what? Delay analysis, legal advice on delay disputes, delay claims or defence preparation, representing you in litigation or arbitration in a delay dispute….. ? There’s many different aspects to a dispute, I don’t think any consultancy, mine included, can claim to be the best at everything but some are more willingly than others to advise you to go elsewhere for particular aspects of your claim if they think it is in your best interests. Some just think fees and will keep everything in house irrespective of what is best.
I think it would be rather hard to say who is better than who and rank everyone in any meaningful order. Possibly the only people who could do that would be clients, certainly not the people who work in this part of the industry itself.
Ship building is one. Maybe pharmaceutical drug development - they use programme software and they also have disputes.
Regarding the top 5 Firms - they are the A list of professionals and charge A list rates - £200.00 an hour is common for standard delay analysis.
If you have a problem I can put you in touch with a number of very good - very hungry - B list professionals who will sort you out at a fraction of the top rates.
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Toby,
Didnt realise I was inferring one was better than the other. I was making the point that:
Small consultancies can and do handle large claims.
Clients choose on the level of service and value for money, be that comparing the level of service and value for money between two large, two small or one of each size consultancy. Its the level of service and value for money that seems to count, not size.
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Andrew
Sure, thats a reasonable size dispute.
However, to return to the thread; on this size dispute I would doubt that a small consultancys level of service or value for money is any different from a large consultancy.
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Toby
$148 million claim for Main Contractor big enough involvement (done by 3 - 4 people)
Most of the claims I get involved in are normally £10m plus and international
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$148 million claim big enough involvement
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Andrew
It very much depends what you mean by "involved". A project can have a value over $1bn, but your service can be doing a small EOT claim for a sub-contractor on a discrete element of the works.
I would suggest that in order to put a large claim together, small consultancies woul not be a clients natural choice.
This is certainly the case in my experience.
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Tony
Ive been involved in $1Billion plus international projects - small consultancy, clients choose on level of service and value for money from my experience.
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I guess it also really depends whether you want to get involved in the larger jobs, in which case clients will tend to go for the larger consultancies with a number of resources who can assist.
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Mike,
Does actually seem to be quite a few permanent jobs now being advertised, moneys quite good too - but I think Ill struggle on earning my pennies as a subby!
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Hi Andrew
I thought of applying for that £200k job but why take a pay cut?
But seriously the way the permanent salaries are going at the top end it is now worth considering going on PAYE.
Best regards
Mike Testro.
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Mike,
I thought Oliver could start at the top and work his way down to teaboy, I started at the bottom, worked to the top, (easy if you start your own business), but sometimes think Ive worked my way back to being the teaboy!
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Hi Oliver
This is another posting - might be more suitable
Forensic Claims Analysis, posted 1 day(s) ago
Location: Kent Employment Type: Permanent Employment
Company / Recruiter: Project Resource Limited
Salary Info: Up to £50,000 per annum + benefits
Advert Description: A very rare opportunity has arisen to break into claims / forensic planning with no experience required. In addition to this great opportunity this role will require remote home-working with regular meetings at their offices in North Kent, so you must be motivated and able to operate in this environment. This role will also require remote working at client sites with possible short oversees trips
The client is a specialist consultancy providing claims, forensic planning and litigation support to major companies around the world. Projects are generally across a range of sectors including oil and gas, civil engineering, construction and power both in the UK and abroad.
Career progression is likely to be swift and you can expect full training as well as on-the-job training from an experienced mentor in claims.
Our client is seeking intermediate planners with the following skills:
- A very good knowledge of Primavera P3e or Primavera P6
- 5 years planning experience (candidates with less will be considered)
- Civil engineering qualification is a distinct advantage
- Good communication skills and a self starter attitude is essential
In return for your experience, our client is willing to offer the following salary:
- Up to £50,000 per annum (depending on experience)
- Generous bonus scheme
This is a great opportunity if you are seeking an opportunity to break into claims / forensic planning and to work from home; please apply today for more information.
Go to the Jobs Section for the full details.
Best regards
Mike Testro
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Oliver, just saw this on the jobs page:
Industry Sector: Forensic Claims Analysis,
Location: Lancashire
Employment Type: Permanent Employment
Company / Recruiter: Gold Group Limited
Salary Info: ca.£130,000 – £200,000 package
Your part of the world - how about jumping in right at the deep end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Only joking but something to aim for.
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Oliver,
Construction Dispute Resolution Service
The best experience is certainly by doing it, there’s no substitute for that. It’s difficult to advise on what’s best to do.
Go for the larger consultancy, certainly you will get more varied work but having never been there and done that, I don’t know how intense the training would be and how fast you would be given responsibility. But if they have good people and a good training programme there’s nothing at all wrong in going this way.
In a small consultancy the training would I believe be a lot more intense and you’d be given more responsibility quicker – but that said, knowing how demanding the work can be it could be a sink or swim situation and possibly put you off for life. (Depends how much you like working 7 days a week!!!!! - it does happen at times)
Job adverts do come up from time to time for trainee delay analysts on PP, no doubt you keep an eye on that. Contact a few recruitment agencies, as I said, I don’t think you can say there is a top 5 to aim for. When you go for an interview ask about the training, (probably most important to you), they’re typical workload, (is it an area of the industry you know about), they’re success rate …. Oh don’t forget the salary and perks!
Sorry I can’t be more specific but I hope this helps abit.
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Andrew,
As i aim to move from being a planning engineer, I would like to know the consultancies that would give a good grounding in delay analysis.
It is difficult to get details on the how to aspects of different analysis techniques and i imagine the best place to learn is by analysing real claims.
Which firm is it you work for?
Oliver
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Oliver,
Ship building is definitely one, IT is another big one. Any dispute involving a delay, whatever industry it is, will use some form of delay analysis to try and ascertain who’s at fault. However most industries do not involve such complex scenarios as construction or ship building etc and therefore they don’t need to use such sophisticated techniques to analyse the circumstances surrounding the delay.
Most will be very simple and can be sorted out by common sense alone. For example, goods were delivered late to my shop – is a delay claim, but nine times out of ten it’s simply the suppliers fault for whatever reason, no great analysis needed.
But any industry where there is a complex interaction of lots of events will in the event of a dispute use some form of delay analysis - possibly not computer based critical path analysis however. A lot of times each side will make a lot of accusations about what they think caused the delay without any formal delay analysis and then the judge or arbitrator will decide on the day what he believes the important delays were and rule accordingly, (sadly also happening in more and more construction disputes these days due to the poor programming and record keeping on a project).
As for the top 5 consultancies – the question is, top 5 at exactly what? Delay analysis, legal advice on delay disputes, delay claims or defence preparation, representing you in litigation or arbitration in a delay dispute….. ? There’s many different aspects to a dispute, I don’t think any consultancy, mine included, can claim to be the best at everything but some are more willingly than others to advise you to go elsewhere for particular aspects of your claim if they think it is in your best interests. Some just think fees and will keep everything in house irrespective of what is best.
I think it would be rather hard to say who is better than who and rank everyone in any meaningful order. Possibly the only people who could do that would be clients, certainly not the people who work in this part of the industry itself.
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Hi Oliver
Ship building is one. Maybe pharmaceutical drug development - they use programme software and they also have disputes.
Regarding the top 5 Firms - they are the A list of professionals and charge A list rates - £200.00 an hour is common for standard delay analysis.
If you have a problem I can put you in touch with a number of very good - very hungry - B list professionals who will sort you out at a fraction of the top rates.
Best regards
Mike Testro