How about the "Acceleration" on the delayed activity, which is critical this month but may not be critical next month because of "Accelaration". Critical Activity can become Non-Critical, if we are accelerating the activity.
OR
Starting the successor activity parallel to the delayed activity.
"It is very clear that an activity maybe critical at some junction in the timeline, however, as work progress, the said activity may lost criticality."
IMHO a critical activity in critical path remains critical until it is completed,during the progress of work. it may become non-critical if and when major changes introduced to the scope of work thereby and some other activity becomes critical.
I may be missing the point here, can someone enlighten me on the possible scenario of the statement in quotes.
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Submitted by Abhijit Kale on Sat, 2008-01-26 02:33
If it is not mentiones in the tender drawings, but if in the TS(technical specification) the activity description is given with the gravel. You have to do the work without any additional time n cost.
But on other hand, if it is not in a tender drawing, but shown in the IFC drawing and not mentioned in TS, you can ask for additional time n price for the same as it ll be treated as additional item.
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Submitted by Donald Graham Cowley on Mon, 2008-01-21 00:14
I hate to rain on your day fellas...but the Contract may not say that a "substitution" of material is classed as a variation. Many forms of FIDIC are amended to remove key qualities that prevent certain types of change being recognised as a reason for entitlement.
Firstly, Rohit, you need to check the obligation under the Contract Document (T + Cs) and then look at the Variations clause to determine what it says.
The obligation of the Contractor (I assume thats you Rohit) may be for a thickness of material (say) and thus the change in material itself may not be considered as a change to the Contract performance. This may be one reason for the Engineer (is that Engineer with the POA or just the PM ?) to suggest it was a general requirement.
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Submitted by ashraf alawady on Thu, 2007-12-06 03:53
you had a Revised Design, according to this new design we were supposed to place Gravel.Gravel was not shown in the tender drawings and in the schedule activity duration is based on the work without Gravel.
When you asked for additional time for placing this Gravel, Engineer said this is the General Requirement of the activity and hence no additional time.
Please be informed that all the contract documents are completary and if any requierments mentioned in any of the contract documents so it seems to be part of the original scope of works.
so please restudy the contents of specifications,BOQ,Drawings tender clarifications >>>>>>>>>>etc .
if you did not find any thing regarding the said addetial materials then you have to answer as an experiance contractor, why you did not asked the client or the engineer during the tender stage.
i can understand from the engineer comment that this aggregate materials is commenly used in this case for example it is practice in our sepecification that all pipe lines shall be provided with granulare mateials deb and surround the pipes and to be enclosed in geotixtile filterfabric so it is a general requirements for laying of the pipelines wither it mentioned or not in the contract drawings and if not mentioned the contractor definetly will raise this point during the tender stage otherwise it will be his reposibility to do the works to the best quality without egnoring the general requirements which may not necessary to be mentioned in the contract documents.
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Submitted by Puneet Gupta on Wed, 2007-11-28 00:39
You are right here , He is bluffing with us as we asked him to explain what does he mean by General Requirement and never came back to us.
Dear Charleston,
Thanks I will follow your advise but trust me its a wastage of time here as Engineer never read our letters, He just do whatever he feels like, but yes we should keep doing our job. Yes I agree with you that as the work progress a critical activity may become non-critical, We are using As-Planned-Impacted approach.This is not the only activity , there are more than 25 such activities on which he just avoid to accept the variation by saying "Gen Req".
Dear Clive,
I agree with you we have a notification clause, but just for my understanding if the contractor is requestiong for a variation of work after the notification period, Can Engineer say the variation was the General Requirement?
Thanks again for your giving your valuable time and advise.
Regards
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Submitted by Charleston-Jos… on Tue, 2007-11-27 10:33
All you have to do is explain to him your position that this is a variation due to re-design from rip rap to concrete.
Your entitlement for extension of time may be reasonable or may be not reasonable.
So, all you have to do is submit a letter telling him your entitlement as per contract that this event will be demonstrated as impacting on the schedule as worl progress.
So just do what an effective planning engineer must do.
Cheers,
Charlie
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Submitted by Trevor Rabey on Tue, 2007-11-27 09:36
He is bluffing. He thinks if he says it with a straight face he intimidate your outfit into picking up the tab for the extra cost and the risk for the extra time, and cover for their mistake in not providing a complete design. You havent signed a contract to go broke pandering to his whimsical approach.
Tell him to go %*&^ himself.
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Submitted by Puneet Gupta on Mon, 2007-11-26 23:24
I agree with you ommission or addition is a variation but my question is how to explain it to my dear engineer when he says the addition work is a "General Requirement of the activity", However this work was not seen in the contractual drawing available to us during the preparation of baselene schedule. Contract drawing were the basis of Baseline schedule as per our contract.
Engineer is simply ignoring our claim by saying the additional work was the General Requirement.
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Submitted by Ronald Romero on Mon, 2007-11-26 23:22
So if it a variation then it is not a general requirement of the activity. You can reschedule the said activity and can claim extension if it affects the critical path. Anyway doing gravel, concrete and geotextile is easier than the labor intensive rip-rapping
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Submitted by Ronald Romero on Mon, 2007-11-26 23:10
As said, this was a completely new design and was not seen during the preparation of baseline schedule and so it was never the intention of the contract to put gravel.
In the contract design it was rip-rap and later on (during the project execution) Engineer changed the design and instructed us to place concrete & gravel+geo-textile.
Is it still a general requirement of the activity?
Regards
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Submitted by Ronald Romero on Mon, 2007-11-26 09:02
Read the General Specification of the contract and condition of contract which is the basis of the derivation of the BOQ. If it is clear taht it is the intention of the contract that you put gravel for the function of the said design then you can not ask for time extension and variation of work arising from it hence additional work.
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20 years 6 monthsRE: Variation to Work
Hi Sam,
How about the "Acceleration" on the delayed activity, which is critical this month but may not be critical next month because of "Accelaration". Critical Activity can become Non-Critical, if we are accelerating the activity.
OR
Starting the successor activity parallel to the delayed activity.
Regards,
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17 years 10 monthsRE: Variation to Work
Hi All,
In one of the preceding post I read this,
"It is very clear that an activity maybe critical at some junction in the timeline, however, as work progress, the said activity may lost criticality."
IMHO a critical activity in critical path remains critical until it is completed,during the progress of work. it may become non-critical if and when major changes introduced to the scope of work thereby and some other activity becomes critical.
I may be missing the point here, can someone enlighten me on the possible scenario of the statement in quotes.
cheers
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18 years 3 monthsRE: Variation to Work
Dear Rohit,
If it is not mentiones in the tender drawings, but if in the TS(technical specification) the activity description is given with the gravel. You have to do the work without any additional time n cost.
But on other hand, if it is not in a tender drawing, but shown in the IFC drawing and not mentioned in TS, you can ask for additional time n price for the same as it ll be treated as additional item.
Regards,
cheers
Abhi
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17 years 9 monthsRE: Variation to Work
I hate to rain on your day fellas...but the Contract may not say that a "substitution" of material is classed as a variation. Many forms of FIDIC are amended to remove key qualities that prevent certain types of change being recognised as a reason for entitlement.
Firstly, Rohit, you need to check the obligation under the Contract Document (T + Cs) and then look at the Variations clause to determine what it says.
The obligation of the Contractor (I assume thats you Rohit) may be for a thickness of material (say) and thus the change in material itself may not be considered as a change to the Contract performance. This may be one reason for the Engineer (is that Engineer with the POA or just the PM ?) to suggest it was a general requirement.
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19 years 2 monthsRE: Variation to Work
you had a Revised Design, according to this new design we were supposed to place Gravel.Gravel was not shown in the tender drawings and in the schedule activity duration is based on the work without Gravel.
When you asked for additional time for placing this Gravel, Engineer said this is the General Requirement of the activity and hence no additional time.
Please be informed that all the contract documents are completary and if any requierments mentioned in any of the contract documents so it seems to be part of the original scope of works.
so please restudy the contents of specifications,BOQ,Drawings tender clarifications >>>>>>>>>>etc .
if you did not find any thing regarding the said addetial materials then you have to answer as an experiance contractor, why you did not asked the client or the engineer during the tender stage.
i can understand from the engineer comment that this aggregate materials is commenly used in this case for example it is practice in our sepecification that all pipe lines shall be provided with granulare mateials deb and surround the pipes and to be enclosed in geotixtile filterfabric so it is a general requirements for laying of the pipelines wither it mentioned or not in the contract drawings and if not mentioned the contractor definetly will raise this point during the tender stage otherwise it will be his reposibility to do the works to the best quality without egnoring the general requirements which may not necessary to be mentioned in the contract documents.
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20 years 6 monthsRE: Variation to Work
Thanks to everyone,
Dear Trevor,
You are right here , He is bluffing with us as we asked him to explain what does he mean by General Requirement and never came back to us.
Dear Charleston,
Thanks I will follow your advise but trust me its a wastage of time here as Engineer never read our letters, He just do whatever he feels like, but yes we should keep doing our job. Yes I agree with you that as the work progress a critical activity may become non-critical, We are using As-Planned-Impacted approach.This is not the only activity , there are more than 25 such activities on which he just avoid to accept the variation by saying "Gen Req".
Dear Clive,
I agree with you we have a notification clause, but just for my understanding if the contractor is requestiong for a variation of work after the notification period, Can Engineer say the variation was the General Requirement?
Thanks again for your giving your valuable time and advise.
Regards
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20 years 3 monthsRE: Variation to Work
So Rohit,
In the event you are really justified for extension of time, then, you have to document periodically on how the activity becomes critical.
It is also very important to take note when this may become non critical.
Reveiw the "Marant Case" forwarded by our good and reliable friend Mr. Andrew.
It is very clear that an activity maybe critical at some junction in the timeline, however, as work progress, the said activity may lost criticality.
In other words, there may be another activity that is more critical than this activity.
So why insist and sour relationship? For as long as you did the best ever pratice in PROJECT CONTROL then you can move on and enjoy Planning.
Cheers,
Charlie
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20 years 3 monthsRE: Variation to Work
Rohit,
All you have to do is explain to him your position that this is a variation due to re-design from rip rap to concrete.
Your entitlement for extension of time may be reasonable or may be not reasonable.
So, all you have to do is submit a letter telling him your entitlement as per contract that this event will be demonstrated as impacting on the schedule as worl progress.
So just do what an effective planning engineer must do.
Cheers,
Charlie
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19 years 11 monthsRE: Variation to Work
He is bluffing. He thinks if he says it with a straight face he intimidate your outfit into picking up the tab for the extra cost and the risk for the extra time, and cover for their mistake in not providing a complete design. You havent signed a contract to go broke pandering to his whimsical approach.
Tell him to go %*&^ himself.
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20 years 6 monthsRE: Variation to Work
Dear Ronald,
I agree with you ommission or addition is a variation but my question is how to explain it to my dear engineer when he says the addition work is a "General Requirement of the activity", However this work was not seen in the contractual drawing available to us during the preparation of baselene schedule. Contract drawing were the basis of Baseline schedule as per our contract.
Engineer is simply ignoring our claim by saying the additional work was the General Requirement.
Thanks
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18 years 11 monthsRE: Variation to Work
Rohit,
So if it a variation then it is not a general requirement of the activity. You can reschedule the said activity and can claim extension if it affects the critical path. Anyway doing gravel, concrete and geotextile is easier than the labor intensive rip-rapping
Cheers,
Ronald
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18 years 11 monthsRE: Variation to Work
Rohit,
If it is an ommission or an addition then it is a variation.
Regards
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20 years 6 monthsRE: Variation to Work
Dear Ronald,
Thanks for your post,
As said, this was a completely new design and was not seen during the preparation of baseline schedule and so it was never the intention of the contract to put gravel.
In the contract design it was rip-rap and later on (during the project execution) Engineer changed the design and instructed us to place concrete & gravel+geo-textile.
Is it still a general requirement of the activity?
Regards
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18 years 11 monthsRE: Variation to Work
Rohit,
Read the General Specification of the contract and condition of contract which is the basis of the derivation of the BOQ. If it is clear taht it is the intention of the contract that you put gravel for the function of the said design then you can not ask for time extension and variation of work arising from it hence additional work.
Regards