One with the committed dates and for the record send letters to your suppliers and subcontractors instructing them to keep on schedule.
The second with the expected delays so you can make crucial decisions as to control costs with the knowledge these delays might happen. This schedule will provide you for alternate plans as the job progress and at some time it might be you have to disclose it as your revised plan with some strategies as to reduce the impact of your delays, release it at the right moment, not before.
The management of your company is correct, if latter the Owner delays the job and you reported these delays then concurrency will happen and you will not be able to claim for delay. It might happen that the Owner claims he is pacing, and will not even grant EOT. Yes same as contractor pacing there can be owner pacing.
By the same token if the Owner knows he will be delaying the job due to a change he is to issue, he will not tell you in advance so you re-schedule the job and get delay reimbursements. Just do the same, don't play the "fool".
What if eventually they can deliver and expected delay never happens?
If the delays do happen you will always be able to say that you tried your best and even asked your suppliers and subcontractors to keep on schedule, that you never recognized a new baseline based on deliveries that break their commitment, that you have your commitment to the Owner and this is not negotiable. Then you show the Owner the letters you sent your subcontractors and suppliers asking them to keep on schedule.
And who said the use of the schedule as a claim tool is not in opposition to the best use of the tool as a management tool? B.S. !!!!
If you are using lag to represent deliveries of your procurements you shall re-consider in the future using activities to represent the deliveries, these are easy to maintain either using expected finish constraint or a formulae or global change to keep finish date aligned with expected delivery date. It helps to see float and criticality, it helps you control calendar of the delivery activity, usually in calendar days while predecessor and successor in different work days calendar, something some scheduling software cannot handle. Even helps with the start of the delivery, usually a release document and not an automatic start as in the case of lag.
Best regards,
Rafael
Member for
24 years 9 months
Member for24 years9 months
Submitted by Vladimir Liberzon on Mon, 2011-06-20 12:12
you have two main optios - Crashing and Fast Tracking.
Crashing:
Look at the schedule critical path and try to make it shorter.
Options: Add resources to critical activities to make their durations shorter, Change work calendars (extending work day or creating additional shifts), Use more advanced technologies on critical tasks. This approach increases your expenses.
Fast Tracking:
Look if it is possible to do some critical activities in parallel (maybe with lags) instead of one after another. Reconsider existing lags in dependencies of critical activities. This approach increases your risks.
Don't forget that making initial critical path shorter you may find that other activity path became critical. If your software includes DRAG calculation it will show what time can be saved on critical activity before another path will become critical.
What you said is correct but this is the case with Procurement and you know what happens in procurement the sub cont and suppliers what they committ and what they do is different. now i m in the situation that i don'y have any other option and what the date i have been given have to be accomodated in the schedule.
So if you have any option please tell me or what else i can do. and its not upto me our management is also aware about this.
they adviced to accomodate the date without effecting the project deadline.
Plz help..............
Member for
16 years 7 months
Member for16 years7 months
Submitted by Gary Whitehead on Sun, 2011-06-19 18:36
Member for
14 years 8 monthsThnx Guys, Will definitely
Thnx Guys,
Will definitely try with all your optionz....
and plz don't mind if i w'll come to you for any doubt i have..
Member for
21 years 8 monthsMohd,Keep two schedules:One
Mohd,
Keep two schedules:
The management of your company is correct, if latter the Owner delays the job and you reported these delays then concurrency will happen and you will not be able to claim for delay. It might happen that the Owner claims he is pacing, and will not even grant EOT. Yes same as contractor pacing there can be owner pacing.
By the same token if the Owner knows he will be delaying the job due to a change he is to issue, he will not tell you in advance so you re-schedule the job and get delay reimbursements. Just do the same, don't play the "fool".
What if eventually they can deliver and expected delay never happens?
If the delays do happen you will always be able to say that you tried your best and even asked your suppliers and subcontractors to keep on schedule, that you never recognized a new baseline based on deliveries that break their commitment, that you have your commitment to the Owner and this is not negotiable. Then you show the Owner the letters you sent your subcontractors and suppliers asking them to keep on schedule.
And who said the use of the schedule as a claim tool is not in opposition to the best use of the tool as a management tool? B.S. !!!!
If you are using lag to represent deliveries of your procurements you shall re-consider in the future using activities to represent the deliveries, these are easy to maintain either using expected finish constraint or a formulae or global change to keep finish date aligned with expected delivery date. It helps to see float and criticality, it helps you control calendar of the delivery activity, usually in calendar days while predecessor and successor in different work days calendar, something some scheduling software cannot handle. Even helps with the start of the delivery, usually a release document and not an automatic start as in the case of lag.
Best regards,
Rafael
Member for
24 years 9 monthsHi Mohd,you have two main
Hi Mohd,
you have two main optios - Crashing and Fast Tracking.
Crashing:
Look at the schedule critical path and try to make it shorter.
Options: Add resources to critical activities to make their durations shorter, Change work calendars (extending work day or creating additional shifts), Use more advanced technologies on critical tasks. This approach increases your expenses.
Fast Tracking:
Look if it is possible to do some critical activities in parallel (maybe with lags) instead of one after another. Reconsider existing lags in dependencies of critical activities. This approach increases your risks.
Don't forget that making initial critical path shorter you may find that other activity path became critical. If your software includes DRAG calculation it will show what time can be saved on critical activity before another path will become critical.
Best Regards,
Vladimir
Member for
14 years 8 monthsDear Gary, What you said is
Dear Gary,
What you said is correct but this is the case with Procurement and you know what happens in procurement the sub cont and suppliers what they committ and what they do is different. now i m in the situation that i don'y have any other option and what the date i have been given have to be accomodated in the schedule.
So if you have any option please tell me or what else i can do. and its not upto me our management is also aware about this.
they adviced to accomodate the date without effecting the project deadline.
Plz help..............
Member for
16 years 7 monthsMohd, I would advise option
Mohd,
I would advise option 3): Tell the truth.
If progress has been poor and you are likely to miss your deadline, that is precisely what the schedule should show.
Fixing the schedule to hide forecast delay is both immoral and counter-productive.