Actually this not strictly true. It is distributed in the UK by Asta Development, but it is actually from a German company.
You can find their web site here:
http://www.tilos.org/

Just to confuse you they used to call themselves Asta Development (Germany) but they have now changed their name to "Linear Project".

Kind regards,

Dave.

hello dave,
i am looking for TILOS Software , could u suggest from where can i get it

Oh you guys are so helpful. Thanks alot.

Hi Mai

Send your email to support@astadev.com and they will tell you by return.

You can import p3 to PowerProject and back again so maybe you can with Tilos.

Best regards

Mike Testro

Hi Philip
I have only just seen this forum so have only been brought up to speed on the discussion.
Something which has puzzled me is why you opted for Tilos and not Site Plan which would have been integral with the CCS estimating package.
I used their package four years ago and although fairly basic at that time still gave a presentable time chainage solution and is reasonably fast.
Knowing how quickly they develop I am sure by now it will be a very good package.
Regards

Ewan

Hi Raja,

Have lots to say, but time is few. Tilos is a good tool for finding problems withim the schedule, but it lacks speed, somewhere somebody has to produce a homogenous product, where everything is done by the click of a button, besides which I am short of resources, so if you are interested, contact me. It is interesting timeshere, and the experience will serve you greatly.

Regards,

Philip

Hi Stephen,

Do not feel lonely, with all this experience, I think I have to go and get a marketing degree, just to be able to sell the idea of planning in the correct perspective. People have all these weird perceptions about planning, such as it is the "black art of project management", which is strange in that all our crystal balls are flat LCD screens and do not remotely look anything like crystal. The other weird thing is that there is this sudden influx of so-called Project Managers, who qualified via various univercities/colleges, and seem to know it all, but cannot read a barchart, never mind understand the structure of programmes. Now we hit them with Tilos/time chainage, time distance, whatever you want to call it, and voila, after a bit of explanation, they grasp the concept, and become the masters of the universe. However, the barcharts are still mysterious documents which is beyond their grasp. The secret "black magic" knowledge good planners have is being able to read these mysterious documents. The unfortunate thing is that not all projects are open to linear diagrams, but somewhere out there is a solution. At least you got the grasp of the concept, in understanding that it can help you in terms of the motorway portion of your project. If you want some copies of the diagrams, my e-mail addres is philplan@iafrica.com . Let me know your address, and I will gladly send you some examples. Keep up the planning.

Regards

Philip

Hi clive,

Well put, if I had a choice, would change software tomorrow, unfortunately you get locked in by the costs involved and other factors such as the ease of converting data to other programs. this may not be the forum to discuss this, but you can maybe move this to another forum, such as the shortfalls of software. I am tied into Primavera because a decision ws made to go the route of PM v5. It took some time to work out how to link PMv5 to Tilos, without any assistance from Primavera. Asta had their input. The point I am getting to, is that Primavera, despite their their obvious domination of the marketplace as a result of P3 and the failure of OP Professional, have never had any input to this website. They have no commitment to planning and have their own ideas about what we should be doing in this respect1. In other words they have us in their trap and (I am trying to put this bluntly, but the rules of the site prevent me from frankly stating what my true opinion is) we need to walk away from this tender trap. I am speaking very frankly, avoiding the real words to pronounce what we need. Lets get to the facrs, PMv5, cannot even produce S-curves, print a calendar, and falls short by far of any planners expectations. The point I am making is that Asta, and Spider is so far ahead that PMv5 is living in terms of planning in the murkiness, in terms of Darwinism, in the great darkness, and if they had any brains within that organisation, would become an active partner.

regards

Philip

Charlie
Its great that the message gets across to the site team in simple to understand presntations
As I have maintained on this site for a long time, you can be the most accomplished user of P3 in the world but its not worth a jot if the guys on site either feel its too complex or too detailed. Site planning is all about watching the trends and doing something about them before they become a disater. Thats really true for civils and particuiarly viaduct construction.
If your not carefull a minor problem such a a lack of a stressing anchor can cause major delays to the project.

Philip seems a little unreasonable to have a go at Charlie because he dosent want to give out too many details about the Dubai LRT. I can understand that the client may get pretty fed up finding out the project so close to his heart is being banded around the internet with all its naughty bits displayed.
I note you havent told us specifically about the project you are working on but I guess its this

Gautrain Rapid Rail Link project in South Africa

Projects specialists at Pinsent Masons are supporting South African law firm Ledwaba Mazwai in advising the Gauteng Provincial Government on the US$1.65bn Gautrain Rapid Rail Link Project which reached financial close today.

The project is the largest railway under construction in the world. The Bombela consortium finalised terms of the concession agreement with the Gauteng Provincial Government for the 80k high-speed rail link that will connect Johannesburg’s central business district, its northern suburbs, Johannesburg International Airport and Pretoria. Construction on the project began on 28 September 2006.

The contract for the design-build portion of the scheme is valued at approximately US$3.3bn. The project involves financing, design-build, and operation and maintenance of the rail link.

The Bombela consortium consists of: Bombardier; French civil contractor Bouygues Travaux Publics; South African civil contractor Murray & Roberts; and Strategic Partners Group (SPG), which is a group of several South African Broad Based Black Economic Empowerment companies. Rand Merchant Bank and Standard Bank are providing the financing for the scheme. Soc Gen is advising the consortium.

Good to see the lawyers dont know what the project is worth either 1.65 or 3.3 but what the hell does it matter they have loads of money anyway

However I do agree with Philip, Charlie that sometimes you are a little too secretive

As to a Spider forum why not

Primavera is a piece of C**p its hard to use, I dont mean technically its all the bullshit about always having to press enter, its not flexible, you cant get really into the data base and its platform and links to other software are archaic. Add to that the price and the total lack of back up and the fact that when microsoft new office version whatever its called takes over all the old P3 copies wont run and at nearly 5k US a pop thats something a good company would be helping their punters with I agree with Philip.
As to ASTA or power project they have always come at the market from a different perspective way back in 1989 when they came out with the software they went round the contractors with it and said does this work for you guys. They have continued to do that which is why its the biggest selling software for planning in the UK.
However as most of our clients are too damm lazy to get off their butts and rewrite their programme specs we are stuck with Primavera. I personally think they should have called it Prima Donna.
As to what will happen soon I dont know, Power project has just released a new update that allows you to go from Primavera to power project, and when I next sign up a revamp of our Company software Im likely to go either for Power project and take my P3 files across or openplan

Hi Guys,

This is a great threads on planning ideas.

Actually, I developed a planning information for high level management in LRT projects. It was based on the basic principle of communicating the plan that make it easy to be understood without heavy thinking.

It is just a simple excel graphics that will straight away indentify the problems regarding viaduct construction. It shows the viaduct elements (piles, pile cap, pier, pier caps and segment installation).

I used excel only (graphics, drawings, worksheets). It was very effective. I always bear in mind the philosophy of my friends here in PP regarding communicating the plans, where we stands, how we can move on, how long will special machines/equipment for viaduct construction will be on standby due to delays in precast elements.

It is very straightforward that project teams acts on critical viaduct elements and activities, including activities at the precast yard.

I can not share with you the files because this is a very high profile and live project.

Anyway, i’ll try to develop project simulations, highlights the important events and share with you the pdf files

Cheers,

Charlie

Hi Vlad,

maybe you ask PPadmin to open another forum for Spider project rather setting them into the TILOS thread?
Anyhow, I agree in some words from you post, especially the face to face training. Doing it in this way gives customers always more benefit than e.g. web training. Problem here is that customers are sitting all over the world and expenses are higher that the training fee...
You also wrote that you are proud that you produce new versions monthly. Well, in this case you are the number one enemy from all administrators in bigger companies. Even Microsoft has to learn that. What the IT responsible like to have is software that work, produce no issues and need no effort. Update means all time effort for them.
TILOS had the same problem in past, to much releases, to much confusion, too much effort even for the support guys, fist question was always "which release do you use, ohhh, please visit website and update....". But ASTA promise to stop this.

Finally, from my point of view I like to discuss more technical things here than promoting software or philosophic items.

Regards,
Andi

Hi Guys,

The point is that we need software that is stable and can run with minimal support, and if required quality support, 24/7/52/10, in other words all the time. I want software that can produce quality barchart, PERT diagrams, S-curves, Histogrammes, line of balance diagrams and any other analytical reports I need without add-ons, without the pain that is required by by most types of software. Compatability in software is also important, ie import and exports, without any exclucivity, thus creating an open market, where everybody can compete in terms of quality, support and the rest.

This may not be the forum to have discussed this, but if some of the other subscribers, open their eyes, they might welcome this.

It might be suggested to the PPAdmin, that they take cognisance of this, and duplicate some of these postings in a new forum about the shortfalls of planning software, and make software suppliers aware of this to improve the quality of service.

Thanks for your support guys, especially Vlad, and hope you can expand as a result, as I have always been tempted by your Spider Projects. I think ASTA have also been refreshing in their approach, and let the best men/women win

Regards All,

Philip

Hi Guys,

Had a weekend break, with family visiting, and such, tried to ignore the more serious issues.

Vlad, as for your first posting, I think it is possible to market in a wider perspective, as we have the internet, as their is so many possibilities with the internet, like interactive sites where somebody else can view your screen, and oppositely., videeo conferencing etc, that any problem can be sorted out within hours, if not within minutes for known problems. Even training can be dne in this way. Finding this type of personal interactive support is rare, as you have to answer all kinds of e-mails, some of which is computor generated, and nothing ever happens, so you just give up. As for price, I am not too worried about that, but if you pay the price, the quality of the software must justify it, in other words, do not sell something at a premium price if it is half baked (You may have an idea what I am talking about). I am not someone who uses software support too regularly, as in most instances I can find a work around, or some or other way to resolve the problem. This is specifically where I realise the software does not have the capability, however when you pay a premium,and have expectations about something, and you find major problems, and cannot carry out simple tasks, you get a bit peeved of, especially when there is virtually no way to talk to the developers, and they supply you with so-called patches, which resolvoves none of the issues they lay claim to. I do not want to go into this further, but things are getting a bit out of hand in the marketplace and other parties should step into the bereach if they have better solutions.
I am so frustrated at present, about this, I can tear my hair out. I spent almost ten years on Open plan version 4 dos, and needed support twice, once we exceeded the maximum number of activities and got a extended version which meant simply driving 800km to got and collecting a sttify and loading it (these were the days before the days of the internet and fancy modems, I was on a remote site in the bush). With P3 I never had a problem serious enough to use support, but with OP professional I gave up, as the program was launched with too many problems. I contacted MSP once, and they sent out their expert (we paid a premium for him)who could not answer one of the questions we asked him, and said he would come back with answers, but we never heard from him again.

What I am trying to say is that if the software is good it should not need major support, the question is more about shortcomings in the software in terms of capabilities, and this is where all good software developers stand out, in that if you point out such shortfalls, they will put these improvements in place. When you pay for maintenance when you buy software, you are not paying for the developer to fix his problems, but, for new developments and improvemts.

Regards,

Philip

We usually create optimistic, most probable and pessimistic project scenarios that may include different activities, resources, costs.
Basing on these estimates we define targets that may be achieved with reasonable probabilities and then control these probabilities trends.
Parallel design and construction is usual, but not knowing a bit about future development is quite rare.
We can discuss it in some other discussion - not in TILOS section.

Spider simulates uncertainties and risks.
Regards,
Vladimir

If detailed design data will become available you will be able to input them into the project schedule. As the result you will get new diagram that shows current plan that have more details. Until then you can work with the data that you have.
Simulating uncertainties is another task and Tilos will not help.

Anoon,
please specify what do you mean by "how can the software be dynamic given the condition that you are going to insert approved details from the basic information / diagram that you had established."

In our software (Spider Project) time chainage diagram (we call it Linear Diagram) is one of the standard project Views like Gantt Chart, Network Diagram or Resource Gantt. I don’t know but suppose that Tilos imports data from PM software and its data are dynamic too. I think that Philip will explain if your question will be more specific.

Best Regards,
Vladimir

Hi Philip and Vlad,

Sorry for the late reply, i’m off on fridays. You are right Philip, the location is false, but the figure is quite correct and it’s very difficult to sort it out for various reasons (as explained below).

Anyway, i’m just trying to figure out if the Time-Location Chainage Software might work at this point in time, and how long can it be established, as you know training for personnel to handle it will take time. And as you had mentioned, it will be applicable only for construction activities considering complete details to work out.

What i’m trying to imagine is how can the software be dynamic given the condition that you are going to insert approved details from the basic information / diagram that you had established.

regards,

Anoon (also false)

Hi Vlad,

I am not quite clear on what you are saying, but have some sort of idea. Maybe it is time to market spider in a way that other people can see it, use it and maybe then understand it and appreciate it. The point is you tell us about it, but it remains an enigma, and we may be working with tools, that are outdated, and do not know it because the better tools are not at hand for us.

Computor software is only as good as the markeying behind them, thus we are all stuck with Primavera, this is really a painful experience, as we hear rumours of better things, such as spider and power projects. Get out there and show us the power of the tools, so we can decide for ourselves, what is the best tools to use. Speaking for myself, the current tools take a lot of effort, and I am not a software guy, but an engineering professional who understands planning well, therefore I have a problem with continually having to learn the software problems and having to sort them out. As a good example, P3 was working very well without hassles and then the next "super version" could not perform half the tasks P3 could do. Prior to that we had Open Plan V4 dos, which was even better in some respects, but it was outdated by the advent of "Windows" and the supposed user friendlines, but the next release of Open Plan Professional became a total disaster, mightas well have been called closed plan.

I think the problem is a combination of things,firstly there is not enough input of professional/active planners into the software development, secondly they are disregarding the freedom of planners, to produce reports and to check what is happeining in the databases behind the program.

Lets get some real user friendly software back, where you do not have to be a software developer to write reports. And please then sell it at a competitive price, not at the exhorbitant fees that they do.

Maybe if MSP tried this philosyphy they could develop a good product.

Regards,

Philip

Hi Anoon,
A straight pipeline of 800km probably is less complicated than this. The number of planners you need is dependant on the number of working faces there is, and the complexity of the project, such as pump stations, distance to travel to find out what is happening etc.

Regards,

Philip

sorry for the interruption, (it’s hard to work on two different things at the same time).

You mentioned that this can be interfaced with other programs (i.e. P3), isn’t it be more complicated?

I mean establishing Activities, Resources, Quantities, etc.

You gave 85 kilometer sample, (i.e. I got more that 800 kilometers) , how many people will compose the team if you need to establish the system?

regards

Hi Anoon,

I work on a 20" monitor, and unless you study the legend and then understand it, it iis still difficult to use. However, if you know the legend and the project (distance wise) it becomes very easy to follow. I maybe need to put something together in terms of a mini description of the project to help you understand it. The printout of the whole project is normally done in A0 width, 2,1m long, so to scan around the diagram on a 14" monitor becomes very difficult.

But when working in the program, you can zoom in and click on a specific activity, and be able to see the description, start and end chainages, length, dates, and any other info you need. If you spot a problem you can then go back to the source program and correct whatever the problem is.

The vertical axis in this instance is time starting from top to bottom, and the horizontal axis is distance/chainage going from left to right. However due to the nature of the project, we have had to use split chainages. The reason for this that the alignment of the railtrack is continually being optimised, the chainages was split into 8 groups mainly around 15km each, but with one of about 3km and the longest about 17km. Furthermore there is a fork in the railwayline so two different chainages run in parrallel for about 2km. in other words, the whole system is about 85km long, so if you made tem changes in on of the 8 areas, of lets say 5 metres each, you would have to adjust all the drawings by 50m. By splitting the chainages, you only have to adjust one eight of the drawings, and the others are unaffected.

Next, was that the main area on the project is the train Depot, which is near the centre of the project, as it is the hub of all the activities, as this is where it all starts. This was allocated the 0km chainage, whichich ich midway in the 300km chainages. Then then next chainage start allocated was the 100km chainage which starts on the left of the TCD (Time chainage diagram), ie he south boundary of the project, and then the section north of that the 200km chainages, then 300km, 400km, 500km and 600km chainages respectively heading north. But, somewhere roundabout 205,040km the railtrack split into two seperate tracks, one heading east towards the international airport and the other north. This split happens just after the track exits the underground (south) section, and here the chainage changes from 200km to 700km. I hope I am explaining this clearly, as it is not that easy too explain.

This area where the two tracks run in parrallel, is one of the most critical areas in the project, as we have too cross underneath one of the busiest highways in the country, as a cut and cover. You have two railtracks running parrallel as well as all the other factors involved, such as partially undercutting a landfill site, and cropping an industrial area . This is one of the most difficult areas on the TCD to understand, as the two areas are shown seperately and it took some time figuring out how to show this. But, if you study the maps at the top of the diagram TCD, you will get the grasp of it, just remember the orientation of the maps are not always the same, but suited to the aligment. The detail of the maps show this.

So even if it looks like a mish mash of autocad and excel, which it probably is in terms, the whole thing reflects the planning in terms of the program you have developed, in this case in Primavera.

Hope this is of assistance.

Regards,

Philip

Hello Philip,

I got it.

It took me too long to open my mail. I’m on vacation, annual leave here in my old hometown to behold the green green cocunut trees.

I thanks you a lot.


Cheers,

Charlie

Hi Andreas,

I think we have spoken on the phone, no problem sending the guys the sruff. I sent Sven a copy about two months ago, so the diagram might even be on the website. I have two different diagrams here, one of which we did for a board presentation, which has a lot of detail on. It is a good example of what can be done with Tilos in terms of presentation.

Regards,

Philip

Hi Philip,

can you spare one for me also, i got more than 800 kilometers of piping in here..

my email is tarzan_pitt@yahoo.com


regards

Hi Guys,

I am here to share knowledge and experience, ie trying to help whomever needs it and trying to gain some experience from others who have had simular experiences. The reason I have not been such a good participant as in the past is all the bull, moderators, getting the name calling like sycopancy. Is this necessary, we are professionals andthere is no room for this.

This discussion is about Tilos and should remain as such, it is about improving the way we present our planning, and thinking lateraly, for other people to understand what we are trying to show them. It is about sharing ideas and improving the planning function.

Let’s think along these lines, and advance ourselves and our profession, instead of in-fighting.

Regards

Philip

Philip
Unfortunately the sycopantic post was moderated
However LOB stands for Line of Balance

I understand your problem regarding the short structures in relation to the length of the project and I think in the deleted post I did suggest that you may well have to put these on a stand alone programme to get the scale right.

The problem you are facing is one of horizontal exageration

I believe there is no way around this

As to my postings regarding Charlie this comes from an exsperated feeling that whatever is said is neither regarded or responded to but a diatribe of thoughts unconnected with reality are proposed. On ocassion this leads other readers me included to go outside the envelope with a size 10 boot.
I cant say I will be able to stop this unless a level of thought is adopted by Charlie prior to his more ridiculous postings.

Hi Charlie,

Will send you those PDF’s, not example, but the real thing.

Regards,

Philip

PS and no more sycophancy :-)

One of the things Charlie that Philip and Andi are suggesting is that Tilos works where you have a linear project. Philip talks about 85k and obviously your contractor on a light rail is lookin at a similar scenario
However the station planning may require something different
Charlie the principles of TILOS is not new I believe and I think it comes from us old guys who did LOB planning
I certainly used LOB in high rise
The great thing about LOB or TILOS is its all on a single sheet so trend analysis is so easy, I dont think you can ever say that when you have a 20 page print out from Primavera or any other bar
chart programme
I would certainly advocate youe read up on this subject before you add more comments on this thread
oh by the way Charlie if a sycophantic rush should come over you such as the one that enveloped you and Philip please do not direct it in my direction as I have only been in the industry 31 years 5 short of Philip but I have built two major railways from scratch in the city not a green field.

Philip,

You are always brilliant, perhaps the greatest to me with regards to planning, project management, etc. It showed in your post. I think you have 36 ++ years of experience. I’m very junior to you since I only have 23++ years of experience.

Since you address “Hi Guys” so that includes me.

I want to let you know I’m very much interested in “If you are interested, I can send you some examples in pdf format, to show you the impact of the tool, in terms of presentation.”

Please include me in your preference to send pdf format.

I really need the sample since I’m now involved with Light Rails Transit.

My e-mail address is: charlieorbe@gmail.com.

I thank you in advance for you kindness and I believe you when you said “I can send you some examples in pdf format,”.


Cheers and best regards,

Charlie

Hi Charlie,

I will be pleased to philosophise about TILOS with you.

Andi

Anoon,
We used Linear Diagram that is similar to Tilos View presenting Caspian Pipeline construction schedule (750 km part). It was very helpful and easy to read.

Philip,
in Spider Project you can create and use any metrics in the Linear Diagrams (example: Stage 1, Stage 2, etc.). So it is not necessary to link design with the distance. I expect that Tilos also has this option.
Vladimir

Hello Andi,

You scared me. I have been in planning projects for most of my time after university, and here you are telling our very own planning planet

"Finally, in my opinion, making a schedule without TILOS is dangerous."

Of course, our planning planet is unique because we can always say our opinion.

Is there a sample for tilos, let say, good for 30 activities. how to contact tilos?

Cheers,

Charlie

Andreas,

Since I belong to the young "once", im history.

Perhaps you can enlighthen us on your opinion regarding TILOS.

A good enlightenment may start with:

a.) how long you used tilos (actually, a colleague of mine want to market a new branded software name "TULO")

b.) explain further why??? A simple "I think TILOS do so" is not enough.

Please take your time. Remember, you can always come in go in PP, no hard feeling.

Cheers,

charlie

Hi Irem,

The best you can get from generation before us is manual planning. how it was done before the advent of planning software.

If you enter the electronics age of planning, it is dynamic and always young.

Take for example Primavera. How many times the software morph or upgraded that even your previous knowledge is not realiable already, meaning you have to start all over again to grasp the newer version.

Cheers,

Charlie,

Hi Andrew,

Maybe I did not answer your question, about making the news.

The point is that if the contract your are involved in is newsworthy enough, there will be factions trying to disrupt it, some trying to stop it and others that are all for it. I am working at present on such a high profile project, that is reported on, on a daily basis in and on most of the media. There is environmental issues, personal issues, etc, all of which affects the public in general, and the most interesting part of all of this, is the predictions, by the various media presenters, of whether the project has the chance of being successful. You can study all the hype, and it ends up, that most of the media presenters prefer to go the negative route, as in their view "bad news" is "good news", ie if you rebel against something new, at least your are thinking. So the general opinion amongst journalists is shoot it down, and if it loses you are succesful. If on the other hand it is succesful, you just drop the topic and pursue another issue, so you were wrong, sorry, everybody makes mistakes.
Journalists love issues, and they are probably right in one out of ten, but this is how they make their reputation, by telling people "I told you so" , even if they have only a 10% hit rate, people have short memories, and only remeber the journalist, for being right once, even if it is once in a hundred times. What is our job? Proving them wrong yhe 99 times.

Gents,

You are dead right, and furthermore this should be focused on more. We all have our good and bad contracts!

You obviously forget the project that are successful and on time, They probably outweigh the failures by far, the only problem is they are ignored, for the simple fact that good news is no news.

But isn’t communicating the "Plan", engaging the team and gaining commitment to it what we are about - not the paper & pencils, post-it notes, spreadsheet, planning software, presentations, videos. The plan is theirs not ours - you have to "sell" it to them however you can and that’s what we get paid for.

there are a number of time-chainage software products around. Railway & pipeline sectors use them all the time.
It can be invaluable where multiple projects are working on the same railway for instance to give an overview of clashes between work sites

see QEI for instance

Hello Guys,

I know these discussions of the good old days to well. I have to listen to those stories on sites, told by elderly Site-Manager all the time.
Forget about those days - they are over.

What we need now are good tools to manage our work. And for time chainage schedules there were no good tools on the market yet. I even had to develope a tool in Excel with xy-Graph in the past.
I think Tilos is such a good tool. As it is developed in my home-town I have the possibility to visit the company. And I have the experience, that every call, every e-mail is answered. Problems are solved, errors corrected and suggestions included in the next version. My question about WMF-Format was answered in a peronal mail. Who ever called or e-mailed Primavera knows what this means.
Although I did not use resources and costs in Tilos yet, it is important, as clients not just pay worse, they also ask for more.

Richard,

Somehow we managed in days long gone by walking out on site, having a look, marking up a piece of paper on the wall and making decisions - it was the best we could do at the time and it worked, but in those days we seem to have had time to do what we needed to do - and somewhat larger profit margins than we work on today. Then came the recession in the early nineties, profit margins dissapeared (to negative numbers in some cases) and the world got that much tougher. I’ve never seen a job priced since with a profit margin of 20 - 25% as may have been the case pre recession times. We had big enough margins then to make up for the inefficiencies, the cock up’s, the work done twice, the non productive Friday afternoons down the pub.... ....the good old days are long gone.

These days every client wants to have his project finished yesterday, the contractors still want to make their margin or more and if abit of software can take some of the guess work out of the decision making and do it at the click of a buttom then I’m afraid I’m all for it - anything that helps. Phillips quite right though, never take blindly the information that a computer tells you, gut feeling and experience still plays a part in the decision making process, but as I said, if it can help save some time scribbling on paper and pushing buttons on a calculator, then I’m all for it.

My Dear Boy,

Why would you want to resource and cost load a time-chainage diagram?

Its sole purpose is to ensure that the scrapers keep ahead of the drain layers who keep ahead of the blacktop gang etc ad infinitum?

Are you trying to manage the work or plan your claim?

Richard

Sorry chaps, we did this stuff back in the 60’s, so whats needed beyond a drawing board and an adjustable set square??

I guess you mere mortals have forgotten how we used to build the big stuff.

Software is a poor excuse for a lack of engineering skills.

Richard

Hi Andrew,

That’s expensive.

No need for me to tell my boss. But i think my boss know about this software.

I will settle for exceel worksheet.

But this time, ill try to link using formula cost and resources in my time chainage.

cheers,

Charlie