Ian,

Thanks for your clarification I will take it as correct with regards to P3. Can you tell me about SureTrak and Digger file comparison? I still understand these were products developed outside Primavera.

Another issue I cannot understand is why after version 3.1 it was never updated again. Was its development dependant exclusively on the minds of Dick and Joel?

Best regards,
Rafael

Rodel,

Then you are correct, for the moment most of us, most General contractors have no choice, we must manage our job with the tools of others.

I believe this is the main reason for many unsuccessful CPMs, is what other blood suckers want not what the Contractor doing the job knows. The end result is that the General Contractor hires an independent CPM consultant and lose control of the tool, now is not only the tool of others but the CPM of another one.

Best regards,
Rafael

Rodel and Mimmoune,

If company dictates most probably the leader would be MS Project, unfortunately Contract Requirement dictates.

Most Program Managers recommend Primavera at the expense of the Contractor’s choice because it is convenient for them, is easier for them. They convince the Owner their choice is what is best for them and the Owner follows when approving the specs.

The truth is that this places a great burden on many Contractors whose personnel is experienced on other software, Companies that have invested thousands in training as thousands in the integration of the software with their financial system. Yes hundred of Contractors who work at risk at the whim of a single participant who ironically usually work at no risk, is morally wrong.

Best regards,
Rafael

mimoune

I see a trend from owners not be so picky about the CPM; I have seen more frequently specs that allow the Contractor to select his own management tools.

About specific software seem like most contractors are angry and disappointed at Primavera/Oracle. I see no clear trend about the Primavera substitute, hope many and not a Dinasty. I have even perceived dissatisfaction with Primavera from a few Primavera Partners that occasionally post here.

There was a requirement that latter was abandoned to allow for any software that could generate a database following certain specifications. This I believe was right, but many Program Managers did not like the idea and started pushing for specific software at their convenience.

This would even allow for third party vendors to develop applications for file comparison, forensics and even reporting tools that will be able to work the data from all software that follows the spec.

In no way I can say jobs managed using other than Spider Project Software are wrongly managed, Spider is my choice, you should be able to use software of your own choice.

Best regards,
Rafael

Mimoune ,

Guess like P3 I will never get an upgrade.

About Spider Project the issue is not in the interface, once you learn it is more powerful than any other high end software and even easier. I believe the problem is in the lack of English language literature. Help is no substitute to a good book you can read and follow while working the software. Also help is limited about some tricks and traps I learned with the assistance of Vladimir. Eventually English language books will be available, and here in PP we are lucky to be able to communicate directly to one of the software developers, something you cannot do with the other software. Believe me Vladimir is a good listener.

Here software is not always the contractor’s choice, unfortunately is the opposite, is the Owner who is not to be in control of the means and methods who specify the software, unbelievable, makes no sense at all but convenient for the many Not at Risk Project Managers and Program Managers that suck blood of any Owner that fall into their claws.

Rodel

I did my Google search and could not find the reference about the predecessor of P3 from the Mainframe and DOS era, for sure I remember reading about a P3 DOS version, for sure I remember reading about Primavera SureTrak being bought from another developer. I got the impression also P3 was originally from another developer but cannot substantiate the statement.

Best regards,
Rafael

oh Rafael

always so emotional in your answers, unfortunately, i don’t decide which software to use, it is the company who decide, not all planners are lucky as you ;)

but outside from work, i keep an eye on spider(although, i hate the user interface ;) and my personal favorite kplato, it is in alpha stage, but i like the idea of opensource (you can see the black box)

best regards
mimoune

"P3 was brought by Primavera from other developer and never really upgraded it in decades" !?
Rafael, are you sure !?

Hi to all

I face problem in taking printouts of layouts in PDF format .P3 Automatically gets closed .In some case,the closed pro-gramme cannot be opened again .It is better to have back up i trust