Thats why in most of the major projects I worked they will employ a project accountant to manage all these. I still suggest the forecast information should be given by a detail resource schedule where the project accountant can utilise and produce a more accurate monthly cash flow
The problem we facing in P3 is some payment is 30days some 60days and some 90 days or immediate. How to produce a accurate cash flow schedule with all these different payment terms.
In Spider Project you can create as many cost components and cost centers as necessary and show actual and planned expenses, actual cost and planned payments, difference, etc. for the project, any project phase, any resource, department, subcontractor. Besides you can calculate financial constrained schedule where project activities are delayed if there is not enough money to pay for their execution.
There is a simple example in its Demo version illustrating financial and supply leveling.
Again agreed, if possible PM should have one location to obtain the project resource situatio with a cash flow. What Mario is refer to is the expenses incurred may not necessary pay at the same time. Ie 90 days credits or wages. That will cause an inaccurate cash flow. where P3 cannot delay the payment situation (it can lag remaining expenditure but not actual). Is there any planning package to cover a real cash flow situation??
Cheers
Alex
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Submitted by Vladimir Liberzon on Thu, 2005-11-03 03:52
still it is useful to have both cash flows and see both - earned and paid cash, who owes to whom, etc., isn’t it? If there are financial restrictions then it is necessary to calculate project schedule with these restrictions taken into consideration (financial leveling).
Yes, in an accounting point of view, accural accounting is different to cash accounting. If what you refer to is cash accounting and I believe 99.99% of private sector is already dumping cash accounting system because it cannot give you a clear view of the actual financial situation of a company and if the company is a public listed share holding company then it is a must to use accural accounting.
The reason that project manager needs the financial information forecast and the use of a schedule is because it need its true financial not cash on hand. In addition he also need a cash flow statment to see it credit situation (if the project is a cash minus project). In a project schedule it can give a accurate forecast on upcoming events to give a good picture of how the cash situation of the project. Yes to do a proper cash flow you need opening balance and expenses incurred from the accounting system. To do a cash flow forecast for a project manage, he/she need a longer view. Ie accurate forecast up to the end of the project where it cannot be produce without a costed and resourced schedule.
So the schedule play an important role in preparing a monthly cash flow
Opening balance - Payable + receiviable = Next Month Opening
To generate a cash flow simulation
You will have your project cost layout month by month with a resourced schedule that have cost loaded
In addition you will also have your payment milestone where you can load it with incoming cash
That way the project manager can see how the cash in and out of the project.
The only different to a accountand cash flow is they may have the credit period apply to the equation where all transaction is not a instant. However, an accountant cash flow may not have the concurrent project situation where the project schedule might have. ie a milestone is know to move six months, more work will be schedule than the original plan... all these updated information is only available in a schedule.
Cheers
Alex
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Submitted by Zhang Haixiang on Wed, 2005-10-26 22:24
If you have a resourced schedule with breakdown of the cost and unit and update it monthly then it is easy, you can export your P3 file to generate a monthly cash flow.
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And still sometimes it is necessary to take into account financial restrictions calculating project schedule.
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Thats why in most of the major projects I worked they will employ a project accountant to manage all these. I still suggest the forecast information should be given by a detail resource schedule where the project accountant can utilise and produce a more accurate monthly cash flow
Alex
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Sriram
The problem we facing in P3 is some payment is 30days some 60days and some 90 days or immediate. How to produce a accurate cash flow schedule with all these different payment terms.
Alex
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Hello,
Cash flow = Inflow & Outflow monthwise
If your payment terms as per Milestone, create seperate WBS.
Otherwise use Cost in P3 for loading the inflow as per your payment terms & Resources for outflow.
Hope this is clear.
Bye,
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In Spider Project you can create as many cost components and cost centers as necessary and show actual and planned expenses, actual cost and planned payments, difference, etc. for the project, any project phase, any resource, department, subcontractor. Besides you can calculate financial constrained schedule where project activities are delayed if there is not enough money to pay for their execution.
There is a simple example in its Demo version illustrating financial and supply leveling.
Best Regards,
Vladimir
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Vladimir
Again agreed, if possible PM should have one location to obtain the project resource situatio with a cash flow. What Mario is refer to is the expenses incurred may not necessary pay at the same time. Ie 90 days credits or wages. That will cause an inaccurate cash flow. where P3 cannot delay the payment situation (it can lag remaining expenditure but not actual). Is there any planning package to cover a real cash flow situation??
Cheers
Alex
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Alex,
I wrote that it is useful to have and to manage both project cash flows in one project computer model (naturally with resources).
Best Regards,
Vladimir
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Vladimir
Agreed, PM will need a cash flow statement, what I mean is part of the cash flow statement you need a resourced schedule to support monthly spend.
Hope that can clarify
Cheers
Alex
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Alex,
still it is useful to have both cash flows and see both - earned and paid cash, who owes to whom, etc., isn’t it? If there are financial restrictions then it is necessary to calculate project schedule with these restrictions taken into consideration (financial leveling).
Regards,
Vladimir
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22 years 8 monthsRE: mothly cash flow
Mario
Yes, in an accounting point of view, accural accounting is different to cash accounting. If what you refer to is cash accounting and I believe 99.99% of private sector is already dumping cash accounting system because it cannot give you a clear view of the actual financial situation of a company and if the company is a public listed share holding company then it is a must to use accural accounting.
The reason that project manager needs the financial information forecast and the use of a schedule is because it need its true financial not cash on hand. In addition he also need a cash flow statment to see it credit situation (if the project is a cash minus project). In a project schedule it can give a accurate forecast on upcoming events to give a good picture of how the cash situation of the project. Yes to do a proper cash flow you need opening balance and expenses incurred from the accounting system. To do a cash flow forecast for a project manage, he/she need a longer view. Ie accurate forecast up to the end of the project where it cannot be produce without a costed and resourced schedule.
So the schedule play an important role in preparing a monthly cash flow
HTH
Alex
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Mario
A cash flow to my understanding is
Opening balance - Payable + receiviable = Next Month Opening
To generate a cash flow simulation
You will have your project cost layout month by month with a resourced schedule that have cost loaded
In addition you will also have your payment milestone where you can load it with incoming cash
That way the project manager can see how the cash in and out of the project.
The only different to a accountand cash flow is they may have the credit period apply to the equation where all transaction is not a instant. However, an accountant cash flow may not have the concurrent project situation where the project schedule might have. ie a milestone is know to move six months, more work will be schedule than the original plan... all these updated information is only available in a schedule.
Cheers
Alex
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Hi,
export to Excel can give your more flexibility
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If you have a resourced schedule with breakdown of the cost and unit and update it monthly then it is easy, you can export your P3 file to generate a monthly cash flow.