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Beach/ Spa Resort Programme

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Tue, 2009-07-21 02:29
Civilila 77
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Hi all,
Anyone with experience in preparing a master programme for a Beach/ Spa Resort? Any sample programme or specific items which should be considered to give an idea what it is all about!
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Thu, 2009-07-23 14:42
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Samer Zawaydeh
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Dear Scarllet,

Thank you for the information. I would recommend that the decision of tendering be left to specialist in the community. They know the strong and weak points of Contractors and suppliers and it would lead to the selection of the fittest Contractor for the job.

With kind regards,

Samer
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Wed, 2009-07-22 01:41
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Mike Testro
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Hi Samer

Where is the building works?

Best regards

Mike Testro
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Tue, 2009-07-21 17:23
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Dear Civilila,

We are near completing a Holiday Inn Resort at the Dead Sea. You can visit the web site www.hirdeadsea.com in one month or so and enjoy the resort as Rafael recommended soon.

The project was divided into several packages and we had several contractors at site.

The Main Division of work was as follows:

1. Civil Works.
2. Electromechanical.
3. Finishes
4. Landscape
5. Sewage Treatment Plant
6. Kitchen and Laundry Equipment and installation.
7. Soft Landscape
8. Furniture
9. Several Buyout items.
10. Beach area

Of course, as Mike said, the scope in each depends on your drawings, specifications and BOQ.

Best Regards,

Samer
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Tue, 2009-07-21 06:29
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Rafael Davila
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Forget about planning and go to your nearest SPA.

SPA 1
SPA 2
SPA 3

Best regards,
Rafael
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Tue, 2009-07-21 06:05
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Civilila 77
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Mike you are absolutely right! my intention was not to copy and paste a programme! & of course the programme should be developed based on scope of works & spec of the project! no doubt about it. I was more keen to know about any specific points/ key milestones which are common in this type of project & aprox. duration from an experienced one point of view who has realy had build such a job. (kind of lesson learnt) don’t get me wrong please.

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Tue, 2009-07-21 02:38
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Hi Civilla

If you can’t build it you can’t plan it.

It is no good asking for templates from another job as yours will be totally different.

Go to your drawings - spec and BoQ and build up your prgramme based on your own knowledge and experience.

Best regards

Mike Testro
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Wed, 2009-07-22 12:46
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Samer Zawaydeh
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Dear Mike,

The civil works included excavation, skeleton, and block works. We also have a 150 long Swimming Pool (2000m3).

With kind regards,

Samer
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Thu, 2009-07-23 02:10
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Scarllet Pimpernel
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Hello Samer,

In Philippines, we use Masterformat. CSI also follows the Masterformat. My old reference of CSI follows the old Masterformat.

Now Masterformat has a new version. Masterformat 2004.

It is very broad, specially in the area of MEP. What Masterformat did was re-classity Division 15 & 16 and expand into lots of Division.

So for a Beach or Spa Resort Programme, it may help to have a look at Masterformat 2004 and from there anyone can have very clear understanding on how to categories by division any project in general, Beach/Spa Resort Project in Particular.

Many thanks,
Scarllet
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Thu, 2009-07-23 00:19
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Samer Zawaydeh
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Dear Civilila,

Yes what you mentioned is correct. We are also running another hotel with One main contractor as well.

Dear Rafael,

The use of CSI is the norm in this part of the world. The main idea behing the division of work was to reduce the cost of overheads by directly contracting with the specialists in their fields.

With kind regards,

Samer
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Wed, 2009-07-22 16:54
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Rafael Davila
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Samer

I see you are not mixing your Work Breakdown Structure (WBS) for your activities with your Cost Breakdown Structure (CBS), that is what I advocate. I have seen specifications that pretend to make your CPM schedule your Payment Application Breakdown, unbelievable but true.

I use CSI for BOQs or what we call Cost/Payment Breakdown Structure while for organizing my activities I use a different breakdown such as Construction Phases then Areas and within areas CSI divisions without using their numbering system, this leave it to specifiers.

Civilila

One gross method I use to determine probable total job duration is to apply a 40% (might be less but better on the safe side) to the total contract amount to get an estimate for my total labor cost. Then I estimate an average size for my total job crews and the labor cost per day for my crews, from this I can figure out how much time I got to be on budget. These are ballpark figures, but still usefull.

Cordially
Rafael
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Wed, 2009-07-22 14:17
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Hi Samer

So someone else did the the wall roof and windows. Plus the doors and plastering etc etc?

Not Knocking - only asking.

Best regards

Mike Testro.
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Thu, 2009-07-23 00:00
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Civilila 77
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thanks Rafael good advise. Samer thanks for the provided info. My nderstanding is taht you have run the project based on package management.
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Wed, 2009-07-22 14:46
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Hi Rafael

As far as I know the UK uses the categories set down in SMM 7 (Standard method of Measurement nr 7).

This is because the UK industry is driven by bean counter QS types and arty carbunculists - at least all the main decision making commitees are flooded with them.

So we have bills of quantities formulated in sections that have no relation at all to the sequence of construction.

So fix window boards -1st fix joinery - is placed in external walls - go figure.

I really do not know how we cope.

I sense a diversion coming on.

Best regards

Mike Testro
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Wed, 2009-07-22 14:37
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Samer Zawaydeh
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Dear Mike,

It was a complicated arrangement that went as follows:

Civil Works: did all the excavation, concreting and block works.

Electromechanical: did everything that has to do with E/M.

Finishes: Did the plastering, tiling, painting, Gypsum Board works, Wood works except doors,

Landscape: completed all the civil and architectural works outside the building.

Furniture: supply and install by one contractor.
Doors: Supply and install by one contractor.

Bascially, scope with divided into segments and contracted on invited tenderers basis.

With kind regards,

Samer
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Wed, 2009-07-22 14:31
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Mike

To keep some order we do have a standarized menthod of organizing our Specifications and Payment Breakdown, we use the CSI / Construction Specifications Institute. What do you use in the UK?

We usually have major subdivisions by area and then within the areas by CSI, for General Conditions we make the exception and keep it as a separate area.

About WBS don’t ask me as some of our CPM specifiers confuse Work Brakdown Structure with Cost Breakdown Structure and pretend them to be matched. You can keep them separate without this being in conflict.

Best regards,
Rafael
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Wed, 2009-07-22 15:03
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Samer Zawaydeh
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Dear Mike and Rafael,

We use CSI classifications in creating our BOQs. But the Contracts were divided based on the sequence of construction and nothing else.

With kind regards,

Samer
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