CHARLIE,

I cannot be different from others PP member at accepting your apologies in order to restore the serenity and equanimity.

Teasing Ms. Carmen in order to let her express ideas in this scenario. I do accept your provocations if you do not contravene the high moral values. Knowing that we all have different moral values, let’s agree the top human moral values.

I do agree with you about the bad taste of the story. Let’s think It was a bad taste gossip.

Let’s start from “0”.

Cheers,

Charly
Apoligizes accepted from my part as well. I didn’t want to hurt you, it was just contents of your post.
I would like to have some more discussions with you. By the way, discussions with persons of the same background for me are boring.
Regards from Germany
Dieter

Thanks MIke,

By the way, How will I know that someone is my own size.

We are all incognito physically,

mentally, emotionally, professionally, etc. It is very hard to know if they are the same size as me.

Any idea????

I can give some of my vital: 5’ 4", 150 lbs, medium built. My shoe is 42. I graduated Bachelor of Science in Civil Engineering, I have 24 years of experience in construction project management, from design phase, procurement phase, and construciton phase in propery developemnt, EPC in oil and gas, Tower/High rise building construction, Metro Rail experince, roads and bridges construciton, Methanol plant, Petrochemical plant, LNG Trains, etc.

Anyone in PP the same size as me.

Regards,
Charlie

Hi MIke,

I do agree,

This is one of my many mistake here in PP.

It is just to show I’m human being, I did made mistake.

On the other hand, the story is more on provoking Ms Carmen to express her ideas in this scenario.

Sometimes it is tempting to tease Ms. Carmen.

I think it was done in a very bas taste.

Charlie

Hi Guys and Gals,

The story was fiction.

It was a story told to me by someone who was told by someone and who was also told by someone and so on and so forth. It was propagated by rumourmongering.

I’m sorry to disturb your equanimity or serinity or sense of high moral values.

Like all of you, I did find the story revolting.

Charlie

Charlie,

Your story does not make me feel depressed, on the contrary the prejudices hidden in your story made me feel sick.

Apparently corruption is linked to races. Rubbish, corruption is linked to the lack of values, moral of people in charge.
Corruption is linked to the lack of effective systems that control the public administration.
It is linked to the poor education of the majority of the population in countries where money comes with less effort (oil countries).
I can add more reasons to show that races is just a parameter associated to the societies where corruption is happening. The main reason for corruption is not the race.

The statement “” as money can buy”” opens the door for corruption. I can mention thousands of cases where people or companies with money and power go to countries where corruption is a normal and welcome practice and what happens. They do business in the same way as the local’s ones.

Finally, your story sounds familiar to me. I venture to say that her native land is Venezuela or any country in South America.

Cheers,

Hi Carmen,

My story is different because when the girl joing our team, I already know that she will be promoted. She is tall, fair skin, not so beautiful but shee look vulenrable, a weak point in some gals with chivalry. I also know that it will be comming because when I worked in her native land, my boss with the same race as her told me "it is only natural for their race to corrupt the system to achieve their personal goal." I believe it will come to this because I observed them doing it in my own native land.

So it started after I finished my annual leave and return to work. I was surprised that my boss, the owner of my company, gave me verbal instruction to be the driver of the girl. My designation was Project Control Manager while the girl is very junior with minor experiecen. At first, I’m not really comfortable with the arrangement. Eventually, the girl shed her true colors and started to issued instruction to me.

OH MY GOD. I did think What is happening now. But with my true Spanish blood, i find it difficult to accept instruciton from junior colleagues.

On incident, my boss and the girl went to overseas trip with alibi to conduct factory visit, only the two of them. When they come back, the world is very different in our office.

My boss was acting idtiotic, moron, teenager, madly in love. It was really very difficult for me.

My analysi is that I can’t blame the girl, it is in her blood to act that way, she also had a child to raise alone. she badly need a "PAPA" OR SUGAR DADDY.

While the sugar daddy, I also can’t blame because all the time he was raisedd loving cammel, goat, sheperd, lamb, etc. Now that he is a very rich man and some warm ass to very much willing as long as money can buy, then it is only natural event to happen.

Of course , since immorality started to be practice in the project, then, the PROJECT IS BOUND TO FAIL.

Sorry, I can’t give you her number.

Cheers,
Charlie

Hi Arnold

Great story - I wonder how far he would have got if he had added a couple of camels to the deal.

Bestr regards

Mike Testro

Mike,

It is not my story, It is Charlie’s, please read post #10 below.

I was wondering WHY if a woman is promoted you (men) think in some practices (called immoralities) done before the promotion.

Best regards,

Charlie,

Have you been in a project with mistress promoted to management position without qualification.

Would like to get in contact with her. May be she can give some tips regarding HOW she did it. It seems that with my qualifications I am going to be frustrated all my life like you all.

Cheers,

Hi to All,

I don’t believe and understand why until now, there’s a wrong impression about the Planner. Unless you guys don’t know what a project is, you’ll never know what a Planner is!

And what is a Plan? Do you really think that only the Planner is doing the Plan? And what is a Project Team?

What usually happens is (and this is a fact), say there is a Plan in place, which maybe prepared by the so-called Planner, which is supposed to be reviewed and decided by the so-called Project Manager or the whole team (if they really are concerned or really knows what they are doing!). And another fact is, not everybody in the team knows that so-called primavera or whatever! unfortunately it is only the Planner! And who ends-up reviewing and reporting that so-called Plan? It’s only the Poor Planner!

Now, here comes the problem, of course the meeting will be presided by that so-called Project Manager! And I believe (always) that problems (at least regarding Schedules) never came out during the initial stage of the Project (because nobody really understands the Plan! or maybe only the Planner). And the pretending Project Manager will just say, oh Mr. Client, don’t worry, everything is under control! you have the best Contractor with you! (sorry, i’m afraid this will be a long story).

to be continued...

Hello Guys,

In this setuation now I think that the Planner is like a chopping board. I work before as a project manager and every thing is well planned like bugetary,project schedule,etc. with the help of my planner.In this case I dis aggree that Primavera is a tool only,because if you understand project management you can understand also what the planner do in primavera. In the first place who gives a pertinent document, information to the planners? PM,Directors,etc.As a planner now in middle east Im asking to our PM to provide me approved plans,pay items,specifications,milestone,quantity,unit price so that I can creat a complete project schedule.The answer of our PM to me why so many?This manager don’t believed me in three months, but after this he is always in my office asking for progress,target collectible amount, manpower requirement,materials requirement,equipment required in the project.


Cheers

Abdul

Dear Arnold,

There are two answers to your question:

1) The planner is doing a bad job and he deserves to be blamed. In this case you will need to know what is presented at each progress meeting and if enough information was given to keep the project on track.

2) The Planner is blamed to cover others mistakes. In this case, if you stand up to the PM you rish losing you job, or you can keep doing your good job and try to explain to the other team members blaming you what is going on and what they should be doing to improve the situation.

Good luck,

Samer

Hello to all.

What your are trying to say is that "NOT ALL 20++ EXPERIENCE ARE QUALITIFED PM"

What is the 20++ experience all about???????

it is called!!!!!

20++ YEARS OF WRONG EXPERIENCE

Charlie

I do not agree with this comment “ the primavera software is very complicated”. It is complicated for those planners that are in this business without the proper background.

We (planners) need to communicate in an easy way the uptput coming from the software. We need to spend time training or coaching the educated or not very educated PMs and team leaders.

The ideal situation would be PMs with certificate BUT I do not see that here.

Cheers,