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Due Diligence Period

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Sajid Balma
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Hi All

I am missing the definition of Due Diligence Period in my Contract. The Time for Completion is 13 months. Any idea what should it be???

Due to some serious "reasons" (read it as "mistakes"), I will be glad to have Due Diligence Period till my Defects Liability Period. How can I get the Employer agreed on this?

Regards

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Sajid Balma
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Hi Gary
I have noted down the 5th lesson as stated by you. Thanks.

There are certain risks that you buy at the time of tender and you price them accordingly. But, certainly, you extra shop when you ignore certain facts and start making high risk assumptions. Thats exactly what happened here.

If you had made an assumption that the certain piece of work would be fit for the Works based on your assumptions, invlove the Employer by giving them notices in crystal clear words immediately. If you don’t, then its your baby not Employer’s.

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Gary Whitehead
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From what you’ve told us, I think that’s the right decision.

I would add a 5th lesson:

Make sure you understand your project risks. Price for them in your bid, and once you are awarded the contract then actively manage them from day 1.
Sajid Balma
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Special thanks to those who participated in this thread.

Just to update, after reviewing all available options, we have decided to proceed with the remedial works as we realized our mistake that was made at the very early phase of the project.

It is our own initiative to proceed rather than going for a fight with the Employer and loose more time and money.

Lesson learnt:

1. Avoid assumptions. Avoid assumptions. Avoid assumptions. They are killers.
2. Establish the requirement of any pre-construction phase.
3. If there is something that you can not execute at that/any time, involve the Employer by giving proper notices.
4. Establish the suuficiency of the Contract Documents. Immediately address all grey areas. It is impossible to change anything in these documents, in the final stages of the project.

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Samer Zawaydeh
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Dear Sajid,

Try to make sure that as an Experience Contractor, you did a professional review of the facilities. If you can try to prove that the defects that were found AFTER the due diligence period could not have been found by an experienced Contractor, then you have a ground for a claim.

Best Regards,

Samer
Gary Whitehead
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Ah Ok then, that simplifies matters.

You’re due diligience period is from contract award to start of construction.

Since contract award was 2.5yrs ago, I’m assuming you’ve started construction.

in which case I can’t see any room for manoeuver. You didn’t notify the employer of any defects prior to construction and hence are liable for remedial works, and whoever was in charge 2.5yrs ago should be shot!

I wouldn’t even bother trying to argue it. The contract is clear and any attempt to wriggle out of it will come across as unproffessional and potentialy discredit any future claims you may wish to make.

My advise is to hold your hands up, and ask the client for their support to see if there is any way of making the original construction contractor liable. -defects period, equipment warranties, contract retension, etc.
Sajid Balma
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>>.... is there contract clauses or other documentation which states this is when it should have happened, or is that just your belief?
Yes, there is a Particular condition added in chap 4 (The Contractor). It reads that prior to start of construction the Contractor shall carry out a due dilligence study of the existing plant and shall notify any defects to the Employer. In case of failure to identify defects within the Due Dilligence Period that would considered to be the part of the Works.

>>3) You argue that the due dilligence is effectively commissioning of the original plant..........
You have given me some tools to work with. thanks

>>Ultimately if I was the arbitrator and assuming neither option 1 or 2 are valid then I would be ruling against you!
I know we have a weaker poistion here and thats the reason I am not comfartable to fight till my last breath.

>>Clearly the first thing you have to do is to find out if the DD was done .......
I could not find any documentation to support my "YES".

Good luck! -I think you’ll need it!
Samer Zawaydeh
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Dear Sajid,

You can do a lot. Make sure that you read the Contract Documents carefully, and know what information you have and what information you did not receive from your client.

Information that you might consider;
1. Deterioration age of machines and parts.
2. As Built Drawings (correct or not)
3. Operation and Maintenance Manual (correct or not)
4. Handing over notes completed or not.
5. Maintenance of plant during shut down period (completed or not).

With kind regards,

Samer
Gary Whitehead
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My first instinct is that Due Dilligence should have been performed at the beginning of your contract, and should have taken no longer than 6 months to complete, 12 months absolute max. On this basis, you would be liable for remedial works.

When you say "It was supposed to be done 2.5 years ago when we were employed", is there contract clauses or other documentation which states this is when it should have happened, or is that just your belief?

Depending on the above, Possible escape routes, in order of preference are:
1) The Due Dilligence was performed, and the client informed of the defects in good time
2) Some documentation (MS, philosophy, project excecution plan, schedule, etc) was prepared (and ideally submitted for approval) which at least suggests Due Dilligence would be completed towards the end of the project
3) You argue that the due dilligence is effectively commissioning of the original plant, and hence it is reasonable to do at the same time as commissioning phase of the expansion project (which I’m assuming is not yet complete?)

#3 is a bit dodgy I think -I cringed when I wrote it! But if the contract is silent on when DD should be done, and no other documentation exists which clarifies the situation then it will have to come down to an agreement between the parties, arbitration or a court case. At least #3 will give you a basis for negotiation.

Ultimately if I was the arbitrator and assuming neither option 1 or 2 are valid then I would be ruling against you!

Clearly the first thing you have to do is to find out if the DD was done and if so, when & what defects were identified.

Good luck! -I think you’ll need it!
Sajid Balma
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Sorry, rush of blood. I hit Enter too early. So, I continue.

>>......it sounds like there’s some expensive remedial works that neither party wants to pay for and so an agreement on due dilligence period after the event is unlikely.
You hit the bull eye.

>>-Did you actually do a due dilligence on the existing plant? Or did you just make assumptions that it was OK and press on with plant expansion?
I don’t know. It was supposed to be done 2.5 years ago when we were employed. I am here for last 8 months and have no clue if it was actually done.

>>-Does the contract define precisely what ’Due Dilligence’ entails? .......
To let the Employer know about any latent defects in the exisiting plant. Now, how to ascertain if there are any defects or not, I am not sure if we developed any method statement for that.

>>-How long ago was the original plant built? Is it still within the defects period of the original construction contract?
It was built around 3 years ago. So, I suppose it is already out of DLP.

Thanks in advance for any further inputs.
Sajid Balma
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Hi Gary
Thanks for your reply.

>>I assume then that this Due Dilligence was within your contracted scope of works?
Yes, it is in our scope of works.

>>Was this reflected in your project schedule which presumably formed part of the contract docs?
No, it is not mentioned anywhere except the Contract itself. I have no other documentary evidence with me that shows that we exchanged or confirmed that we done the Due Diligence.
Samer Zawaydeh
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Thank you Rommel.

Best,

Samer
R. Catalan
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Dear Samer,

I found no definition in the FIDIC form of Contract. That’s my understanding of the meaning of due diligence period as applied in construction, of which it was also corroborated by our former Contracts Manager.

I scanned some references and found Clause 13.3.2 of the "Fourth Edition of the Red Book - Second Edition" that has the statement "due diligence" and says;

"Construction and completion of the works with due diligence and within the time for completion".

Thanks and regards,
Rommel
Samer Zawaydeh
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Dear Rommel,

Can you please identify where that definition is used. Thank you.

Samer
R. Catalan
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Sajid,

As I understood it, Due Diligence Period is the time allowed in the Contract that is related to submission of documents, review and approval process.

For example in Clause 8.3 of FIDIC 99, the Contractor shall submit a detailed schedule within 28 days after receiving the notice for Commencement of Works. The Client can’t oblidge you to submit it ealier most especially if you’re not ready with the document. You have to take advantage of the allowed time and give yourself enogh time to cross-check the documents. The same by the Engineer during review and approval process.

Always take your time as allowed in the Contract.

This is just my view.

Best regards,
R. Catalan





Samer Zawaydeh
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Dear Sajid,

You need time before the start or after the finish of your Contract?

Best Regards,

Samer
Sajid Balma
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Hi Gary
Thanks for your "VERY OBVIOUS" reply.

I like your honesty but, I do not have anyone from the past regime to "SHOT". Unfortunately, I am here to clean others’ mess.

I am sure we are on loosing side on this issue. But, believe me it will cost us fortune to remedy the defect. But, I am really worried about the time impact that may put us on LDs slot too. waooooooooo.

We have some unfinished bussiness with the client on claims, so, I am sure I will not get anything out of telling the truth. We are really ......


Helpless me.

Show your symapthies, please, I need it.

Regards
Gary Whitehead
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"When we were employed for the expansion of the plant, we were supposed to do a Due Dilligence of the existing plant."

I assume then that this Due Dilligence was within your contracted scope of works?
Was this reflected in your project schedule which presumably formed part of the contract docs?

If so, that’s your Due Dilligence period.

If not, both parties SHOULD agree that the contract schedule is incomplete and SHOULD agreem an ammendment to the schedule to show the Due Dilligence period. I say SHOULD because it sounds like there’s some expensive remedial works that neither party wants to pay for and so an agreement on due dilligence period after the event is unlikely.

A few other points to note:
-Did you actually do a due dilligence on the existing plant? Or did you just make assumptions that it was OK and press on with plant expansion?
-Does the contract define precisely what ’Due Dilligence’ entails? Because to my mind checking a constructed plant for defects is called ’commissioning’, and I am curious to know how Due Dilligence differs to commissioning in this situation.
-How long ago was the original plant built? Is it still within the defects period of the original construction contract?
R. Catalan
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Thank you Andrew for the info.

Best regards,
R. Catalan
Andrew Flowerdew
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Samer,

"Construction and completion of the works with due diligence and within the time for completion".

In this context "due diligence" means that the contractor will employ sufficient resources in to the project to enable him to complete within the time for completion"

It is not a time period but an expression meaning that the contractor will put sufficient effort into the project to finish it by the contractual completion date.

Also not to be confused with the term to "expedite progress" or "proceed expediously" which means something else.
Sajid Balma
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Dears

First, I would like to apologise for my late responce to your inputs.

I realize it now that I did not give you enough details when I intiated my post and now, the responces are leading somewhat in a different direction. I again apologise for that.

The further details are as follow.

We have been inherited a plant that was constructed/installed 100% but never commissioned due to lack of services that the Emplyer had to provide.

When we were employed for the expansion of the plant, we were supposed to do a Due Dilligence of the existing plant. The Contract says that the Contractor has to notify about any latenet defect in the existing infrastructure within the Due Dilligence Period otherwise the existing Plant would become part of the Works.

As I told, the plant was never commissioned so we made number of assumptions on the health of the plant. Now, one of our assumption went badly wrong. To rectify this assumption, would require substantial cost and time. We are scared to death and want to come out of this situation by having a suitable defintion of Due Dilligence Period.

Fortunately or unfortunately, the definition of Due Dilligence Period is missing in the Contract Document. The Conntract is based on FIDIC Silver Book.

I hope I am more clear this time & request again to please share your thoughts on this subject.

Regards