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How to perform ALV - Activity level Variance

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Charleston-Joseph...
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Dear All,

I did a very simple ALV - activity level variance.

I just used the basic description in AACEI

ALV - Activity level vairance

Schedule variances for each individual activity.

and I consider only the two factor:

a.) Delayed relative start
b.) Extended duration

The latest update of the baseline schedule gave me this information.

I found it simplistic. It there another simplest (and hardest), way of doing it?

I highly appreciate your input.

Cheers
Happy Planning and Scheduling

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R. Catalan
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Admirable decision Chris.
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Dieter/Mike,

You are, of course, quite right. I shall take your advice and leave the rebarbative little snot nosed dink to roll in the muck by himself.

Thanks

Chris Oggham
Mike Testro
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Hi Chris

Deiter is right - if you wrestle with a pig the muck will stick.

Leave the rebarbative little snot nosed dink to his own devices.

(that was one of Michael Bywaters published put downs but very apposite)

Best regards

Mike Testro
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Chris

Sorry, but in my opinion we as experienced planners/pm’s shouldn’t give bad examples to youngsters. (On site the style of communication sometimes is different)
In case of troubles in project who will get first out of the mud?
- the exited, the shouting, the furious? or
- the cold-blooded? the reflecting? the one who thinks first over it, then decides?
We should have and show some serenity.
Chris, why you stepped down and endured? Just keep your level.

Just my humble opinion.

Kind regards
Dieter
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Charlie,

You talk a lot, most of which is rubbish. Mike asked you a straight question which you could not or would not answer, to my mind that makes you no more than a colossal waste of space.

In your post #33 you say you’re going to answer Mike’s question but you don’t. Instead after previously insulting him, you start crawling round him for a job in the UK! Incredible, especially since in the past you have had nothing good to say about the UK and its "native English speakers".

I’ll tell you straight, Charlie, I doubt if there is an employer in the UK who would touch you with a bargepole. As for your assertion that I have no planning brains, you don’t even believe that yourself, you’re just being stupid and lashing out because you know you’ve been rumbled.

You started this thread telling us how you did a very simple ALV - activity level variance and that you found it simplistic. So come on Charlie, tell us what you did. But no, it’s much easier to insult people and spout nonsense isn’t it.

Dieter,

While I can appreciate your sentiments, I have had over three years of Charlie’s insults and rubbish to endure. Enough is enough and he has now had sufficient rope to hang himself. The Private Message facility is due to be restored shortly and once that happens, this whole situation will be referred to PP Admin for action. I suspect most people can guess what that action will be.

Chris Oggham
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Hi Chris and Charly!

Cool down! Sometimes it’s amusing to read your fights.
But, for my opinion, now you are exaggerating and insulting. Not ok in a professional forum.

Kind regards from Germany
Dieter
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CHRIS ORGAN,

All you have to do is play with your ORGAN.

It is you who is the Kyeboard jockey, you are only a copy and paste individual.

you have no bright idea because you are not doing any planning.

You chasing my post playing devil advocate and by doing so fooling the whole PP world that you got better idea than me.

the fact remains that "YOU HAVE NO PLANNING BRAINS", so all you have to do is "PLAY WITH YOUR ORGAN" if you know what I mean.

ALV - I’m doing ALV, I started my forensic scheduling analysis using ALV. I only read AACEI and got hold on some example done by Hill International to polish my sophisticated delay analysis as Forensic Schedule Analyst.

Cheers,
Happy Planning and Scheduling
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Hi Guys,

As you can see Charlie is such a w@nker that he can’t even tell us how he did something that he claims to have done. Not only that he has resorted to his usual childish behaviour in insultingly misquoting my name to try and draw attention away from the fact that he hasn’t the faintest idea what he is talking about.

I am seriously beginning to doubt that Charlie is a planner or has ever worked as a planner since he seems to be unable to explain even the most basic planning concepts. When pressed for details, he becomes insulting and produces reams of verbiage that says precisely nothing. I suspect he is no more than a keyboard jockey, and not a very good one at that.

Charlie by name and Charlie by nature. One day he may wake up to the fact that people aren’t fooled any more; he’s been rumbled as nothing more than a bladder full of hot air.

Chris Oggham
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Dear All,

It is clear that ALV is a variance analysis at activity level. PLV (project level)is the result of the aggregation of ALVs.

There’s nothing new with it since Planners has been doing this exercise since the beginning of their career.

This is like bottom-up estimating principle if your doing your cost estimating.

You can use Earn Value analysis to get your ALVs and P3/P6 has the default EVA or use GC to calculate variances.


Thanks,
R. Catalan












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Hi Charleston

Just as I thought you have no idea what you are talking about.

No subject is so complex that a simple explanation is impossible.

I am now leaving this thread to you and your fantasies.

Best regards

Mike Testro
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Ok Ok Ok,

But before that,

Is it possible to work with you in UK. Since you have no idea on how to do ALV, my apprenticeship with you will benifit both of us, me working in UK will fulfill a dream since childhood from the children book "... I’ve been to London to visit the Queen."

The story is like this. Sometimes in July 2006, I got an offer to work as Project Control Manager. Another company offer me more than what was offer by that someone. So I go to the bigger offer. Then, sometimes last year, I got another offer from that someone to do Forensic Schedule Analysis. He gave me a document to go thru. It was at that time that I got hold of a pdf copy regarding ALV. It was done by one of the best international project management company: Hill International.

The ALV analysis was so complicated. I only believe that ALV should not be complicated. So I studied the complexity regarding ALV.

The ALV complexity is not sufficient to explain here in PP. It is an insult to those men who labour hard to professional the Forensic Schedulg Analysis.

So please think about my offer. If you have better offer, then, I do hope we can arrive at benificial relationship, professionally speaking as Forensic Schedule Analyst.

Cheer,
Happy Planning and Scheduling
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Hi Charleston

Just cut the crap and tell me how you did your little ALV -what was the result on both the ALV and PLV.

Now is the time to just put up or shut up.

Best regards

Mike Testro
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Hi Mike,

Im not supporting plagiarism, although it is very common usage here in PP.

I support logic, deductive reasoning and to a lesser extent, inductive reasoning.

Logic is a hallmark of great planner and leaders.

The case in hand is that precedent to Solo copy and paste of ALV from AACEI, the previous post was full of notes that ALV is from AACEI. No other personality can claim originality of ALV. Only AACEI can claim ALV comes from AACEI. SCL cannot claim ALV because it was not mention in your beloved SCL - Delay and Disruption Protocol.

So when Solo copy and paste ALV from AACEI, SOlo cannot be charged with Plagiarism since it was already acknowledge from previous post that ALV comes from AACEI.

Having debunked your conclusion regarding Solo commiting plagiarism, your conclusion that I supported Plagiarism is also wrong. Because my support of Solo action which is not plagiarism is not more an issue.

If you still find it hard to believe, you can ask the opinion of a lawyer and since a professional lawyer will cost you money, just settle with a student lawyer. And if that student lawyers will charge you, you can always buy any book about logic.

I do believe a claim specialist must be good in logic, the art of correct reasoning. So if a client will approach you and say blah, blah, blah, it should not be accepted as the truth. An ALV exercise will determined the truth.

But since, a claim specialist are charged on hourly rate, it is better to play along the line of the client thinking, to earn livelihood.

However in PP forum, whatever post can be open to rebuttal. If any post by me or other PP members are not correct, then, others may have the time to correct such post.

In conclusion, to have a logical mind, never get too emotional with Chris Organ post against my post. Let him be. Otherwise, if someone got affected by Chris Organ post towards my post, and play sympathy with Chris, then, big chance that someone post is full of illogical reasoning.

And sad to say, great men, succomb to imbecile.

Cheers,
Happy Planning and Scheduling
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the source is from aacei website, http://www.aacei.org/technical/rps/29R-03.pdf

sorry, i was expecting everybody searched the web already prior to posting on this forum.

kababayan means "fellow native or fellow countryman."

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Hi Charleston

So now you support acts of plagiarism - passing off someone elses work as your own with no acknowledgement as to the true source.

I am not surprised.

You may be surprised that I have already skimmed the ALV section in the AACEI guide to delay analysis and there are a number of things in there that are definitely not good practice - but of course you will have figured these out for yourself.

Now will you please tell me how you carried out your ALV and what was the effect on the PLV so that we can finish this thread.

Also please tell me what is a kababayan.

Best regards

Mike Testro
Charleston-Joseph...
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First of All,

We have to thanks Solo for a brave act to clear all about ALV.

As I have said AACEI define ALV not SCL.

So in doing copy and paste exercise, Solo did the right thing, and it follows acknowledgement of the source from AACEI because ALV comes from AACEI. It was always mention here in this thread that ALV comes from AACEI. The act itself is only a manifestation of acknowledgement. Ask the judge of any court. so it is not plagiarism.

AACEI means American Association of Cost Engineers International.

I defend the act of Solo and it is not plagiarism because he got that adventurers attitude similar to Hans Solo of the fame Star Wars Series Episode 4 to episode 6. Also, he is my kababayan.

Cheers
Happy Planning and Scheduling



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Hi Charleston

You started this thread - "How to perform ALV - Activity level Variance" and you have not yet told me how you do it.

You never told me what ALV means and when a simple definition comes along from someone else it is so blindingly obvious. (Not Solo’s copy paste excercise)

So how excatly did you perform this ALV on your project?

I would like to learn something new - as I said earlier "If you don’t know then ask someone who does".

You know and I am asking.

Best regards

Mike Testro
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Hi Solo

When you copy - paste text directly from a published source you have state where you got it - otherwise you are guilty of plagiarism.

Best regards

Mike Testro
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first of all, let’s define ALV

a. Activity-Level Variance (ALV)
Delays that are the initial focus of forensic delay analysis are schedule variances for each individual schedule activity, called activity-level variances (ALV). Variances consist of either waiting (absence of work) or the performance of additional of work. For example a delayed
start of an activity awaiting a response to an RFI is absence of work. Whereas a delayed start due to the performance of a scope of work that was missed at bid time is the performance of addition of work. Given these variations there are two main manners in which ALVs are
expressed in a CPM schedule:

i. Delayed Relative Start. This is the variance between the planned point of start relative to
the planned controlling predecessor to the actual point of start. Because this is a relative
measure, it cannot be determined by the simple comparison of planned date (either early or late) to the actual, which would yield a cumulative delay figure. This means that all of the necessary predecessor activities must have been at a level of completion where the
delayed activity could have commenced.

ii. Extended Duration. An extended duration delay occurs when the activity duration exceeds the planned or reasonable duration required to perform the described activity.
The extension may be due to performance of extra work, intermittent work disruptions caused by recurring problems. Unless the delay is a discretely identifiable period of
exclusive extra work performance, quantification of this type of delay requires some estimating on the part of the analyst, as opposed to documentary analysis.
• Due to Continuous Impact
• Due to Intermittent Impact / Stop-and-Go
• Due to Discrete Period of Added Work or Suspension

b. Distinguished from Project-Level Variance (PLV)
The ALV should be distinguished from the project-level variance (PLV) which is also a variance but at the overall project level. Thus while the ALVs occur close in time to the causes, the PLV may be months apart form the cause(s). PLV is the result of the aggregation of ALV’s after taking into account network float. Within the context of this RP, ALVs are considered ‘delays’ regardless of the amount of float they carry.

c. Distinguished Delay-Cause from Delay-Effect
It is important to be able to distinguish the cause of delay from the resulting effect. For example, a fully updated schedule may show extended activities and delayed start of
activities relative to its controlling predecessor. Those are delay-effects or ALVs. There is a misconception that unless delay activities are inserted, a fully updated schedule cannot show delays. While the cause may not be apparent, a competent statusing of the schedule will
show the delay-effects. What caused the ALVs often does not appear on the schedule but must be investigated and researched using project documents, data and witness interviews.

The identification of delay-causes is a focus in the latter phases of delay analysis, during
causation analysis.
d. Characterization as Delay is Independent of Responsibility

Also, ALV’s are considered “delays” independent of the responsibility for those variances. Thus an ALV can be contractor-caused or owner-caused, but it is still a delay. Similarly, the characterization of delays as ‘excusable’, ‘compensable’, ‘concurrent’ and ‘paced’ are attributes that are assigned well after the initial delay analysis starts by examining ALVs.
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Barry,

Please read my post number one. I stated I did a very simple ALV: delay start and extended duration.

Any neophyte in planning knows how to do this kind of activity.

I only wanted to know if others were doing it ALV in a much complicated way.

But because of Mike ignorance of ALV considering that he consider himself master, it give me a shock.

So I declare myself better than Mike. Now the drama continues because Chris Organ intervene in the thread and expounded his ignorance. Mike picking up Chris frustration wanted to please his native Englishman.

So now the thread becomes convuluted with diverse ideas.

Typical in PP thread, if Chris involve in my topic. This has been on-going for the last five years since I join PP.

But actually, if you will devoid yourself of any influence by Chris thread against my post, you will find me cute, funny, and amass with great ideas that will revolotionize the way we will be doing planning, scheduling, forensic claim and scheduling analysis.

Ask Carmen.

Cheers,
Happy Planning and Scheduling
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Hi Se

Thank you - at last some common sense.

So - a lot of small delays at task level ALV - contribute to an overall delay at the top summary level PLV.

No wonder Charleston did not want to explain himself in any detail - it is straight from the university of the bleeding obviuos.

I can make a guess at BS - is it anything to do with Bovine Scatology?

Best regards

Mike Testro
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One thing why I don’t like the idea of having several professional scheduling bodies is precisely this issue of having to understand different terminologies having the same meaning.

ALV - Activity-level variance which simply means variance for each individual activity, activity delay in other words as opposed to PLV - Project-level variance - variance to overall project, project delay in other words.

Cheers,

P.S. I have a new scheduling acronym but I will not tell you what it means. It’s called BS.
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Hi Chris

Actually it wasn’t my Granny - I nicked the quote from Pam Ayres - a sort of universal granny.

Hi Barry

If you think about it if we didn’t have Charleston we would have to invent him just to have a lowest common demoninator (I just looked at that spelling and decided not to change it) for us all to rise well above.

Best regards

Mike T.
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Hi Barry,

Spot on! This is about par for the course for Charlie, he hasn’t realised yet that sound bites are not an alternative to knowledge. You can always tell when Charlie has reached his limits, he starts referring to documents (without providing a link so that his reference can be checked) or volumes of, well, verbal cr@p.

Chris Oggham
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Sorry Guys

Charlie has still not responded as to what or how ALV works???? he keeps telling people to refer to other Documents, this is an easy approach , tell some one to go to the library, this is easy , but to explain it might mean you have to show you understand the methodology

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Hi Mike,

My Grandma, on the other hand, used to say "Tell the truth and shame the devil." This is why I have been known, upon occasions, to tell certin people that they are full of cr@p and to stop serving up bullsh1t. I don’t know whose Grandma was right, quite possibly both were.

Chris Oggham
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I did hear about that line of personal relationship.

I’m an avid reader of Dale Carnegie "How to win friends and influence people"

And He did waid something along that line, with the following example.

An example was during the early days of Amnerican Civil War when one of Lincoln’s general disobey his instruction and let General Lee Confederate Army slips the Union’s Army clutches, thus may have ended the civil war earlier than what in reality happened.

President Lincoln did wrote a letter reprimanding his general, his frustration, but, the letter letter was not sent to the particular general. The letter was only discovered after Presidnet Lincoln’s death.

Lesson learn: Mike I believe your grandma is right.

I will apply the lesson learn, slowly and in a sustainable way.

Cheers,
Happy Planning and Scheduling
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Hi Charleston

My Grandma said say nothing if you can’t say something nice.

In respect of Charleston-Joseph Orbe I’m taking her advice.

No regards and no respect.

Mike Testro
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I think Mike you lost with reality as old soldier do.

Your atyle and approach will be gone someday. It is just not sustainable.

New generation of planning and scheduling engineers and new generation of Forensic Schedule Analyst will find your methodology outdated.

My advice, read and understand AACEI. SCL is a good piece of document. It need more elaboration of protocols.

BUT of course SCL will not follow their American cousins.

Cheers,
Happy Planning and Scheduling
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Hi Chris

If I sound as though I know what I am talking about people who don’t know will rarely challenge.

When I come against someone who does know then - even today - I fall back on my basis RADA training.

In my opinion bullshit may baffle brains but it won’t baffle better quality bovine excrement.

Best way of course is to know your trade inside out - keep learning and if you don’t know then ask someone who does.

Best regards

Mike Testro
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Hi Mike,

With regard to claims of expertise, I don’t doubt that if the question was put to PP members, an awful lot of them, myself included, would say exactly the same as you. Where the difference lies is when someone calls your bluff, did you deliver or did you rely on bullsh1t?

The answer is obvious in your case, if you hadn’t delivered, you wouldn’t still be doing it ten years on. With Charlie, however, he seems to believe that the only person he has to impress is himself and that everything else follows automatically. I’m not worried for Charlie’s sake, reality will make itself felt in due course, but for the sake of the newcomers to Planning Planet who could end up taking Charlie’s advice and coming a cropper because of it.

Chris Oggham
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Hi Chris

So ALV is a bit like expenditure of contingeny and provisional sums - now I understand - thanks for the clarification.

"it appears that all that is required for Charlie to become an expert is for Charlie to say he is".

That is exactly what I did 10 years ago when I started as a delay analysts - back then - pre protocol - there were very few to call my bluff and I still consider that I invented the time impact method.

I would never get away with it nowadays.

Best regards

Mike Testro

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Mike,

I think obfuscation is too polite a term, bullsh1t is rather more accurate. ALM is a non-starter, that’s down to Charlie having finger trouble. ALV is Activity Level Variance - The differences between the master budget and flexible budget amounts. I’d always understood it to be an accountancy term, so like most of the guff Charlie comes up with, I can’t really see the relevance.

Charlie is now convinced he is a gifted forensic planning analyst (post #2) without having any qualifications or experience. It does rather make his assertions of experience as a planner and project manager questionable since it appears that all that is required for Charlie to become an expert is for Charlie to say he is.

Chris Oggham
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Hi Charleston

You still haven’t expalined what ALM and ALV mean and what they do.

I am beginning to think you are spoofing.

Best regards

Mike Testro
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Hi Mike,

The ALM is the result of "sometimes the hand is faster than the mind".

It is not ALM it is ALV for Activity Level Variance.

I think you will earn more in terms of money and ...

In terms of respect if you read and understand AACEI Recommended Practice.

I’m not earnig much for the last 8 years so I’m still at a lower level than you. But sometimes, getting ideas from you will do help me get confidence that somehow I maybe do better than you.

Actually Mike I’m glad you are around here in PP. The other greats here in PP are not anymore active: Mr. Andrew, Mr. Stuart, Mr. Philip Jonker, Mr. Ronald Winter, Mr. Vladimir, Ms Carmen to name a few.

They are my mentors, including you.

Cheers,
Happy Planning and Scheduling
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Hi Charleston

I have been earning a very good living as a delay analyst over the last 8 years so I must be doing something right.

One of my skills is clear and precise communication.

Obfuscation gets you knowhere.

So please tell me what do the letters ALM and ALV mean and what purpose do they serve.

Best regards

Mike Testro
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Dear All,

Now that I’m the only one professing expertise in forensic schedule analysis using AACEI Recommended Practice, I have to start with ALV (Activity Level Variance).

If ever you have vacancy for Forensic Schedule Analyst, Please PM me.

Maybe we can work out something for the benifit of both parties.

Cheers,
Happy Planning and Scheduling
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To: Mike

I find it hard for you to have no idea of what I’m talking about.

ALM is the first step in Forsensic Schedule Analysis to determine delays

This is the fundamental error in your approach because you believe in SCL. Your statement that AACEI 105 pages can be compressed in SCL five pages does not give you expertise because the first steps in your approach to forensic analysis is ???? as in question mark.

I think the practioner of SCL will start by getting rumours that their is a delays due to blah, blah, blah. As a Quantity Surveyor attached responsible in claims preprartion for EOT entitlement, basically, rumours of delays will be investigated. Is this proper?????

ALV is found in AACEI Recommended Practice Forensic Schedule Analysis.

Cheers
Happy Planning and Scheduling
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Hi R. Catalan,

It is very hard to conclude in your line of thinking.

I surmise

Or it could be that they did not do it because they don’t know about it.

I also believe there are some who really doing it.

Cheers,
Happy Planning and Scheduling
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Hi Charleston

I have no idea what you are going on about with ALV.

It may be some sort of arcane planning control for ongoing work but I would appreciate you explaining what relevance it has to delay analysis - in each of the four accepted analysis methods - using less than 200 words please.

Best regards

Mike Testro
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Charles,

Nobody replied maybe they’re doing it already, sort of old stuffs.

What do you think?

Regards,
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Wow,

so strange,

with lots of ideas about forensic planning, showing expertise as forensic planning analyst,

why there is silent on this very important aspect of delay analysis.

I think some expert are not really doing activity level variance, only me.

Well at least, I can now consider myself more than the experts here in PP.

At least, I’m doing activity level variance.

Cheers,
Happy Planning and Scheduling