Phillip Jonker

Phillip is now an authority in civility and wishes to nominate someone to take my place. Obviously, this person is bi-polar (or he does not read his own posts.) Here is what he said.



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PPadmin,

I raise a strong objection to Ronald Winter’s first reply, and I suggest you remove him as a moderator, as he does not have the facilities to help members with problems, and have a negative attitude. Further he has this pre-diliction to edit and remove peoples postings. I object strongly to this, and if he cannot be helpful, and just be sarcastic, remove him as a moderator, I suggest Gwen Blair instead of this jackass.

Paul,



It must be clear to you that we Moderators are on our own. I am not sure what PP wants (or is, for that matter.) Keep up the good fight. I sure am glad that we got you on our team.



Regards,



Ron Winter.

Instead of discussing the topic of teh thread, Phillip is obsessed about the Moderators. He wants them investigated. According to him, we are ’depriving the community of his wisdom.’ It doesn’t occur to him that we might actually be enforcing the rules that he agreed to when he signed-up. Here is a copy of the post.



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Hi James,



I do not understand, the moderators in this instance, as the debate, or discussion is fairly simplistic, why delete things that are useful to the PP community as a whole. Maybe the moderators need a bit of reining in, or maybe they have an interest, be it financially or otherwise they are protecting. I would like PP to forward the name of the relevant moderator, and run a check on him.



The discussion has been civilised and pretty normal, without serious abuse. My suggestion is we use the private message forum, or maybe even Skype, to discuss this matter and then post a message in a new forum, summarising what we have agreed or disagreed. If this is moderated, we can send it by private messages to all interested parties on this forum. To find me on skype is very easy, my details on this site will assist you, as I have nothing to hide, like the moderator, who has been deleting our postings. As they say, there is many ways to skin a cat. I am also forwarding this message to you via the private message service, and will include my e-mail address, just in case this moderator has admin rights.



Regards



Philip

Bernard,



I think that you are being too harsh. Phillip only threatened to kill me. It is not like the PP staff doesn’t care. After all, they can always get Phillip to replace me when I am gone.

Here his his latest diatribe after I deleted a section of someone else’s post slamming Jonker for being so rude in public. [Get this - I was trying to say that others do not have the right to call Phillip names and he threatens me with death for it.]



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Would have liked to read it, good appeal, think we need some appeal moderators around, ie a second opinion, not the straight ot censorship we have here. Ther is always scope for disagreements, and some good brawls, that is what forums are all about. So I join you appeal against that deletion, as I refuse to answer your reply unless I can read it. These forums are supposed to be educational, and as such, unless the replies are going to start a third world war, there is no basis for censorship, or moderation, as it is politely called on the site. PPAdmi, please take note of this. We are supposed to be professionals, please take account of who is on the receiving end, and let us decide whether the posting is objectionable, before autocratically having it deleted by some moderator, who probably has never sat in a decent site meeting, and would like to some day, so that he could censor the meeting, and produce minutes that are pure of thought and does not reflect the brawls and the swearing that went on. Lets get the forums operating on the real life situation, and reflect disputes and the rest. It is all well and true to try and to protect the Goodie good shoes, but there is actually a real life out there, and some of the moderators, seem to live in oblivion of this fact. Besides this, I will keep a copy of this posting, and forward it to all members for a vote if the responsible moderator tries to delete it. Democracy will rule, and I insist James’ posting is at least forwarded to myself, so I can decide whether I am affronted by it, this will decide whether it should be moderated or not. We could always send the errant moderators to the guillotene, or just let them dissapear into the sunset, like in the westerns. I think the guillotine is better, ass this is a revolution. Down with censorship, in the form of moderation, as we are all profesional grown-ups, who have been through the mill to get where where we are, and as such have the respect for each other to argue and disagree, without needing so-called ignoramus moderators, to settle our disputes, which in the end will give people an insight into planning.

Phillip gas gone bonkers this weekend (15/16JUL06.) First he has a 2-page running, name-calling, very abusive arguement with W. someone in the Contracts section. Then in a discussion of "The Golden Rule, he states the following:

Hi Guys,

Another cat story: How do you make a cat bark, pour some lighter fluid over it, throw a match at it and it will go Woof. apologies to all cat lovers, but I thought Nigels story was worse. On a more serious note, Nigel, as a matter of interest, have you seen a film called "What the Bleep", it is available on DVD, and the copy I have is distrubuted by Videovision Entertainment, I think this will tickle your mind.

Another golden rule is always listen and retain what is good in your mind.

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Then, in another forum where a person talks about cooks, Phillip has this to say,

Yes, agreed, it could be a pain in the wrecked tum.

In another thread ("Do computers Think?"), Phillip shows us how to use logic to disagree with someone who does not agree with your oppinion:



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Hi Edgar,



Happily found out you are awake. but you have been found to be wanting in this discussion, and find a topic you know something about, instead of your inuendues, and the other nonsense

Phillip has completely gone over the deep end at http://www.planningplanet.com/forum/forum_post.asp?fid=&Cat=3&Top=13047. He is under the assumption that becaus the discussion is about censorship, then no cencorship will be exercised against him in this forum. I had to delete most of last week’s ’contributions’ and left a stern warning in that forum as follows:

Some contributing members of this discussion thread seem to assume that if you are talking about censorship, then you are exempt from the rules of this organization concerning profanities and personal attacks. Let me assure you that this is not the case. No extra allowances are made here. This particular forum can and will be closed and deleted in its entirety if this sort of behavior continues. The participants causing this deletion may not be allowed to remain as members.

In Phillip’s defense, he has been posting a lot of thoughtful pieces recently. He still has problems talking to the world without cussing (at least cussing but leaving some stars in places of the vowels) but is clear that he is trying.



Phillip is still my number one censoring problem, but it is becomming less often and he is recently posting useful information.

Just to keep you up to date, Philip has not improved or ’behaved’. He continues to test the limits, sending out four emails in series saying, "I am unable to be able to respond to that comment" in a row to appear to marter himseld. (I delted three of the four posintings to give Phillip what little dignity he has left.)



It appears that Phillip is now able to express himself without swearing if we delete 1/4 of what he says. I did not know that this was the responsability of the Moderatrs when I signed-up. It is kind of like censoring FOX network.

When Phillip ’meets’ Jimmy Robert, look out! Phillip pasted Jimmy a good one and I deleted the personal attack portion but left the rest. Below is what I deleted.

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I find your questions rather strange and awkward questions, as I have had some dealings with you in the past, where you seemed to be like a bit of methane gas on the moors of England. You send out questions and don’t reply.

Phillip is making our jobs a Moderators easier - he is ensuring that fewer and fewer people will be posting messages in the future. Her is a current sample,

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Hi Andrew,



Your posting means nothing, are you part of the solution or the probleblem? and if u are problematic explain.

From http://www.planningplanet.com/forum/forum_post.asp?fid=1&Cat=3&Top=13047.

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Hi guys,



Apparently I am now, crossed the line to renegadeship, as I pissed off about thirty people who want me removed from the site. Their complaints have not been forwarded to me, so PP. leave my justice up to the rest of you 9970 members, as to what my fate should be as a result of my commitment to democracy and the campaign against censorship, and incompetents. You all know the PPadmin address, so either your support or objection would be appreciated. The problem is that only the complainants get heard, in this case .003%, lets hear the positives.



Regards



Philip



PS This will actually prove how many people out of the 10000+ is actually active

Here is the latest. Multiple ravings posted at http://www.planningplanet.com/forum/forum_post.asp?fid=1&Cat=2&Top=13134. I understand that PP Management wants us to let Phillip rant and rave off-topic, so I left it in.



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Hi bill/jaco,



I think we should temporarily stop responding to these urgent SOS ...---... messages from the people who knows it all (bad grammar)and respect their qualifications as top class planners who knows all the answers. We might be crossing the line when it comes to misinformation, and ethics, ie how can you help someboby who knows it all, ie is clevere than you. I hope this is not taken as a rude or unprofessional comment.



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I could probably have helped, but have been banned, as such is persona non grata



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Moderators rule



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And moderators have the right to advertise themselves, despite their incompetence, delete this one ASAP



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Bernhardt/Andrew,

in a democratic environment you need the support of at least 66%, do not think you can take me on, I can get a million e-mail addresses, and aliases, and give you more flack than you ever needrd, however, I try and be loyal to the site

Later on (on teh same day,) I further had to delete fiv different posting by Phillip in the Claims Section. It seems that he is a Claims Expert now. Here is a sample post,

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Andrew,

I have been working unprotected for over fifteen years, you guys seem to think you can make claims against whoever you want to. At the end of the day the claim is either against the client via the PM from the contractor, or if the client had the balls to appoint his own PM within his organisation, then the claim is directly against him. In normal terms these days, and this may sound funny, the client protects himself against claims by appointing a PM who in turn appoints a sub PM, and you might have as many as three middlemen. The case is trying to protect yourself against all these fancy claim specialists. This is the reason the NEC was brought in, to eradicate this type of bullshit! However, it seems there is still some of the bullshit around. Why do you not come around to my protected environment, and let me change your nappies.



I have stated this previously on several postings, I am anti claims, and would prefer amicable settlements, instead of all the bickering. The point is to get the jobs done and not to try and find a monetary reason why you came claim, against whoever.



So let the protection go and get out and do your job, ie build something without wingeing. I spent a fair time as a soldier, and more time as an engineer, and certainly do not lack the balls, to look for a protective environment.



If you have the cojones, let me know where you are, I would visit you with pleasure, and we can talk.



Regards



Philip

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"Regards"? Phillip insults and then sends his regards.

Dear PP,



If you are not going to do anything about Phillip, then why not write a script that will allow us Moderators to follow him around to make it easier to clean-up after him?

Once again, Phllip has gone over the edge, running a series of insults at several different persons. I document it here before deleting the entire thing,

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Hi Guys, the following hardly qualifies as contributions: Could you send me a copy of the guid at r.taheri@ksc.ir or "Are you there ???? " or "Could you send me a copy of the guid at r.taheri@ksc.ir" or "Can I get your guide? " or "Alex, would you please send your guide on progress update? I’m interested on the issue. Thanks (vnsvmrr@yahoo.com)" or whatever the point of the forums is about going forward, not about leeches

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By the way Sunil,

How does the term psychopathological hermit suit you. Unfortunately the doctors do not know how to deal with us animals. However, it is fun being slightly unbalanced, where you come from they call people like that Guru’s. If you had 10 braincells, you would get a grasp of life and stop refering other people to doctors.

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I later deleted two other rude comments made by Phillip and incule his latest parting shot here:

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This is a fools paradise

Here is a copy of a private message that I just received:



You have been sent a ’Private Message’ from Planner Planner located in Egypt, who is member No. 1730 of the Planning Planet website.



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Dear Sir,

please be informed that such attitude from philip jonker is not accepted at all , this was not the first time

actually i know how to deal with people with such a very racial background but i cannot because i respect the formality of this forum andi respect people here as well.



your kindly requested to take the suitable action with this guy



thanks in advance

Phillip is at it again. He didn’t like someone’s response at http://www.planningplanet.com/forum/forum_post.asp?Cat=8&Top=12693 and said,



Sorry but that is a B/S answer.



I replaced it with a message that it was removed by the Moderator.

I agree with Bernard. First Phillip says that everyone has a right to voice their opinion and then he takes slights at the thinnest of interpretations.



This may be a self-correcting case where the problem takes care of itself. I don’t care if Phillip invents a reason to quit that suits his ego.